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| Mace |
Posted - 01 July 2009 : 8:15:30 PM
Listening to the recent debates between MP’s and the financial sector, I am beginning to wonder: have any of them learned the lessons of the past year?
We have the financial folk, agreeing to big bonus’s whilst while their business’s fold. Or setting their sights on share price now, pensions for their people can wait.
We have Labour/Tory/LD starting the same old tired ‘we will do this’ ‘you lie’ ‘Tories did this, Labour did that’ etc. We’ve heard it all before, and none of them sound any different than the next.
The country is under severe strains, and not one of the political parties have come forward and said ‘we messed up, we need to rethink the entire way in which we run this country’. They still haven’t clicked that the EU vote was not JUST about the expenses, it was about having no real options anymore, no sign of any real change, and a future based upon decisions taken out of our control.
I know the old saying, 'the only thing we've learned from history is that we never learn from histroy, but I thought our collective memory was longer than this!
There, deep claming breaths…
"My Mom says I'm cool"
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| Mace |
Posted - 03 July 2009 : 1:45:34 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/robertpeston/
thought that this article was well written, and gived some indication about the rot that still continues in the FS.
"My Mom says I'm cool"
Millhouse. |
| Lanista |
Posted - 02 July 2009 : 08:46:03 AM
You're probably right, Simon, but its so soul destroying to see how people that DO vote are set in their ways. My dad voted x, his dad voted x, so I (fucking) vote x...
I think that independents will gain some small ground, but I honestly believe the big winners are going to be the former fringe parties like UKIP, Greens and our old BNP mates. They made considerable gains in the Euros (especially the Greens - though I can't vote for them because I've been forever scarred by the opening crawl of 80s Brat-Pack movie "Red Dawn") and as Mace alludes, these parties are only garnering support because people are seeing radicalism as the only way to instigate some change.
Where I work, one of the ladies used to Mayor of (I think) Hounslow - I was thinking of getting into politics myself a few years ago, but a conversation with her put me right off. We all hear that its petty and backstabby and so forth, but hearing it from a person that actually had to deal with it day in day out was quite eye opening. She was saying that everyone goes into the (politics) job hoping to change things, but the way that it actually works is by making deals that sometimes you fundamentally disagree with. An example would be "I want to put some speedbumps down Sandy Lane" - to do that you need x amount of votes. "Ok," says your opposite number "I'll back that proposal if you back me on the "Lets have secondary street signs in Polish" motion. Now, you can always refuse, but then you get known as someone who won't cut a deal. And if you agree, then you'll end up (probably) having to do something you don't want to...and if you agree and then renege on the deal, no on will ever back you again on anything.
That's very simplified (and from memory) but that's the sum of it as far as I recall. So even politics at this small, local level is subject to the same nonsense - I think that the collateral damage just increases the higher up the chain you go ("I think we should invade Iraq...") but the rules are pretty much the same.
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| Simon Scarrow |
Posted - 01 July 2009 : 10:19:29 PM
You're dead right Mace. That's why things must change and that's why I firmly believe we must localise politics and remove it from the domination of political parties. So don't vote for political parties. Vote for independents, or even coalitions of independents. We need people whose first duty is to their constituents, not their party.
If anybody thinks anything positive can be achieved by replacing Labour government with a Conservative government then I think they are seriously deluded. The situation has gone beyond that. We need a new kind of politics, not more of the old, worn out, corrupt, self-serving variety espoused by Blair, Brown, Cameron, Osbourne at al. |
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