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Parmenion
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 March 2008 : 10:20:32 AM
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not totally feudal andy, even feudal england traded etc.. its 10 years and we are a more advanced people from the dark ages etc.. so first few years would have been tough, but then people would have got organsied and defended themselves, the worst of the bandits (dumbest) would have died, as they didnt have hunting skills etc.
cities would be left empty, as there is no land to grow on, its all suburbs and country living, nature would be reclaiming the cities and larger towns. I would have thought there would be canabalising of parts to create solar powered tools heating etc...
a resurgence of holistic/ natural medicine, animal husbandry etc.. (back to books taken from libraries, this knowledge being vital to survival)..(dangerous book for boys anyone LOL!!!)
there would be a need for weapons...so ...need to resolve where they came from, there are enough bullets in the UK to last 100 years i would have thought so bow and arrows used again but for hunting game.
have to remeber that animals may have escaped the zoo, so be prepared for all sorts of things out there inc lions...(watch I am Legend for some good ideas there)
Centurion Parmenion
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DavidGMIles
Single Cell Organism
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 Posted - 02 July 2008 : 2:55:22 PM
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| I just finished reading the novel - and I would love to know more, a lot more, about the 12 and the 160 - and specifically what happens to them, do they get uncovered, what is the reaction to the revelations, do they form the new world, or do past tribalisms take over again - I would definitely want to know the future for Leona and Jacob - I think I would like for Jacob to want to discover the men that his father, who he hardly really knew, worked for (in innocence of course) and to find out more about their globally insidious organisation |
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scarrow
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Posted - 02 July 2008 : 4:16:18 PM
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Hi David, glad you could join us here at the forum.
I never really considered developing the conspiracy storyline in any potential sequel. My feeling was once things tipped over into chaos, the powerful/influential/rich would be no better off than us 'little people', and therefore of no particular interest.
But if you're curious as to whom, specifically, I was alluding to as the members of the 12/160 in Last Light, I suppose I can PM you, but then...ahem...I'd have to kill you. |
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DavidGMIles
Single Cell Organism
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Posted - 02 July 2008 : 8:36:59 PM
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| Ha Ha - well I had better hand around wondering then and revel in my sense of not knowing the 12/160 - else I would not be around to read October Skies, which I have pre-ordered today from Amazon - I read A Thousand Suns when it first came out - another great read, but I loved the neo-con nightmare contemporary setting of Last Light |
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John Prigent
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 July 2008 : 11:07:30 PM
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You've ordered from Amazon, David? Why not from the Scarrowshop, where you can get a signed and numbered copy?
Cheers
John
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scarrow
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Posted - 03 July 2008 : 2:26:38 PM
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Ankhsy
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 July 2008 : 10:17:41 PM
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Can we pre-order already? [goes to have a look]
"We are Starfleet officers, weird is part of the job."
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Nick Warren
Single Cell Organism
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 September 2008 : 7:01:52 PM
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I read on POWERSWITCH through LATOC about a possible sequel . . . one other issue that was discussed on LATOC which would give a great shock/big scary animal effect is feral pets post-oil.
When the fires die down in the cities, the feral cats and especially dogs turn on people. My theory here is we have seventy percent of the UK population in the rabbit warrens we call cities. Most are mollycoddled, soft and been raised on too much nanny state TV shows.
Quoting LATOC pasting: "I know this isn’t Disney, where you can talk to the poor dog and cat and the world is all fuzzy and warm. Kids are brought up on too much of that fairytale talk these days. This is reality. If you own animals never, ever, EVER, release them to go wild. If you don't have the stomach for putting them down, have someone else do it. If you have to put dog food away at your farmstead, if we ever make it there, great. I think a hunting or guard dog could be invaluable then. Listen. I understand pack mentality and a pack of dogs scares me more then a pack of wolves. I have been studying the woods and wildlife my whole life. This is how the dogs will form packs, an alpha male will take control of the pack with a beta male as second in command, packs will range from six to a hundred and twenty dogs depending on the food supply. I read years ago of a pack like this had 45 dogs and this was how they attacked people. The alpha picked a friendly looking female like a collie. This is the decoy dog. As you are walking in the woods, the collie approaches and draws your attention, as the packs circle you for the kill. When the pack sneaks up to striking distance, they will attack and so will the decoy. I'm talking lighting fast 45 dogs coming at you. How many rounds does your clip have?"
Survivors would have to learn to kill dogs and cats on sight and maybe eat them as food, I mean if it works for people in countries like Thailand and China then in a desperate situation this may be the case. My mother in law was fed cat during WW2 believe it or not. Choosing that frozen pizza or additive-filled Turkey Twizzler won't be an option.
You might like to know that I have three cats myself and they do keep the rats and mice in our neighbourhood down I must admit - so there would also still be a use for domesticated animals post-oil. Guard and tracker dogs, of course to keep the marauding hordes away from the farmstead community that Leona and Jacob would have spent their post-collapse years working on.
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Parmenion
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 September 2008 : 10:10:22 PM
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nice idea, it would be a real survival of the fittest with the animals and the big dogs would win for a while, but with lack of food would start to die off, its the pit bulls and the jack russells etc that would thrive small and nasty!
#most of the pampered pedigree animals would go first.
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scarrow
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Posted - 05 September 2008 : 07:53:36 AM
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Ankhsy
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 September 2008 : 11:15:38 AM
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Going back to the sequel...why does it have to be so far in the future? I think it should be two or three years hence, the world's problems are still getting worse: food is scarce, central government no longer exists, populations are decreasing. People increasingly turn to religion as they see science has failed them. A female creationist pro-lifer is now president of the USA, "miraculously" producing food and fuel for the masses. But what is the source of this food and fuel? Jake and Leona find a terrible secret!
Sort of along the old Charlton Heston "Soylent Green" lines but with a difference. The "difference" is for Alex's imagination to come up with!
""To be clear-headed rather than confused; lucid rather than obscure; rational rather than otherwise; and to be neither more, nor less, sure of things than is justifiable by argument or evidence. That is worth trying for." Sir Geoffrey Warmock
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
14672 Posts |
Posted - 05 September 2008 : 5:37:19 PM
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but then its just an armagedon book, there would be no real growth or comeback in such a short time, 10 years ish gives you that growth room, for communities to have developed etc...
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Ankhsy
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 September 2008 : 7:16:19 PM
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Trus. Butthat can be book 3, Parm!
""To be clear-headed rather than confused; lucid rather than obscure; rational rather than otherwise; and to be neither more, nor less, sure of things than is justifiable by argument or evidence. That is worth trying for." Sir Geoffrey Warmock
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Fast Paul
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 September 2008 : 10:42:59 PM
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I would start book two with the Epilogue from LL. The letter Jennifer writes, then move on with ......Jennifer put the pen down and looked outside at Jacob.....
Its been a while now since....is the opening line to this and just seems a cracking place to carry on from. Ten years down the line seems a little too long to me. What would really happen if the oil stopped suddenly?
Global hazing would be lifting and the Earth will heat up by 11 degrees very quickly, ( a few months???) Last Light dared to confront the oil issue head on, but what happens if it came true? What happens when the whole world suddenly stops producing carbon immisions? Thats where the plot of the sequel lies. I think humans are responsible for 40% plus if you take into consideration our cattle farming, and the cattle would be wiped out in no time as people starve.
I`ve only seen a 1 hour Horizon documentry on Global Hazing but its scary stuff and seems to be a natural progression of reality when carbon immissions are slowed down as in the Last Light oil effect.
For those not aware of what Global Hazing is, its basically Trillions of carbon particals, which naturally absorb moisture and produce rain droplets. The problem is that there are too many carbon particals up in the sky and it takes a lot of moisture to load each one up to form a rain drop. This is why we have droughts in Africa because they are not turning into rain drops but instead are forming a haze blocking out the Heat from the Sun. A sort of atmospheric blanket. If, or rather when, the carbon immissions are reduced then the temperature of the Earth will rise dramatically by about 11 degrees as the carbon "blanket" isn`t replaced.
Check it out for yourselves. This is what the sequel to Last Light should focus on and a plot line built around. It caters for the feudal systems and packs of dogs etc., discussed but has a nasty reality as did Last Light. It will still lead to the fourth great Ice age of the Planet by way of melting ice caps which saturate the salt water in the Artic Ocean which in turn will stop the warm water conveyor from the Indian and Pacific Oceans.( Ahem!....scope for books 3,4 & 5 lol )
Plenty of thought provoking stuff to stir the imagination just as Last Light did......
What do you think?
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ElDiablo1702
Single Cell Organism
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Posted - 20 September 2008 : 10:16:22 PM
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could Jacob go bad and become part of the conspiricy/demonic new government, and his sister trys to save him and the country? make a knife in the back twist. some shady bloke takes Jacob under his wing, a young scared boy, he leads him down a path of wrongs and his sister who was parted from him has a cross country quest to save his soul whilst battling anarky (my spelling is **** sorry).
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AndyCanty
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 September 2008 : 10:42:24 PM
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Not a bad idea El' but for one small detail your prob not aware of, Jacob is also the name of Alex's Son, so i dont think he will make jacob "bad".
although the redemption angle could be a good idea for a book 3 if alex wants to try that. so he might just make Jake the badguy.....{runs for cover very very fast  }
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 September 2008 : 10:51:18 PM
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Have any of you thouht to have a good look about on Amazon??? {hint}
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AndyCanty
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Posted - 22 September 2008 : 07:39:40 AM
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yep, like the idea, but doesnt stop us speculating now does it... hehe
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Parmenion
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 September 2008 : 08:40:56 AM
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nothing could stop that...but it may supply some direction in which to speculate
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AndyCanty
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 September 2008 : 08:59:12 AM
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Thats true, but as we know the initial blurb, isn't always what the final book ends up being... have to wait and see. Such a pity your dead, would be nice to have you pop up again like an avenging angel... LOL
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Ankhsy
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 September 2008 : 11:53:07 AM
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Do we know for sure Carter is dead? Maybe someone picks him up and nurses him back to health. He then finds out what is going on, tries to find the kids to rescue them. Being "dead" is great for undercover work.
"To be clear-headed rather than confused; lucid rather than obscure; rational rather than otherwise; and to be neither more, nor less, sure of things than is justifiable by argument or evidence. That is worth trying for."
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AndyCanty
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Posted - 22 September 2008 : 12:06:54 PM
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I think that's stretching the truth there Ankhsy, Carter is dead for sure! hehe
I think they where being chased when the troops made their escape, so if he survived Andy's shot, the locals would have torn him to pieces!
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Ankhsy
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Posted - 22 September 2008 : 12:10:38 PM
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Okay, I just wanted to make sure. Parm has a funny way of popping up in these stories.
"To be clear-headed rather than confused; lucid rather than obscure; rational rather than otherwise; and to be neither more, nor less, sure of things than is justifiable by argument or evidence. That is worth trying for."
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AndyCanty
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Posted - 22 September 2008 : 12:20:20 PM
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yes he does doesn't he, I wonder if there is money involved... LOL
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Parmenion
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 September 2008 : 1:16:56 PM
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No they havent paid me a penny!!!
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AndyCanty
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Posted - 22 September 2008 : 1:54:46 PM
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No i was thinking the other way around.... hehe
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scarrow
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Posted - 22 September 2008 : 3:09:25 PM
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There might be a few tatters of Carter's flesh lying around from which DNA could be extracted and a brand new Carter cloned (complete with inexplicable memory of his former life)...and thus he could continue his quest.
Mind you...it'd take one hell of a bribe for me to write that into Twilight. Still, perhaps it's reassuring to know that I can be bought for the right price. |
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AndyCanty
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Posted - 22 September 2008 : 3:51:38 PM
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Ok Alex, you can stop that thinking right this minute, we are still rejoicing that he's dead, and you want tp bring him back.... I dont know what is the world coming too.... LOL
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Ankhsy
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 September 2008 : 4:22:04 PM
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There's always reincarnation.
"To be clear-headed rather than confused; lucid rather than obscure; rational rather than otherwise; and to be neither more, nor less, sure of things than is justifiable by argument or evidence. That is worth trying for."
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 September 2008 : 7:34:36 PM
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There is also my other name!
I lived as Robin O'Sullivan for over 10 years....
Will start working on that bribe now shall i...LOL!!!
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