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Ankhsy
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 14 September 2009 : 2:17:07 PM
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Apparently, there has been suggestions that Americans should boycott Scottish goods to protest the release of Megrahi.
I suppose that means Donald Trump will have to cancel his plans to force people out of their homes so he can build his golf course in Aberdeenshire?
Meanwhile, Americans seem to forget that they openly financed the IRA terrorists for years in Ireland. So if anyone is guilty of showing terrorists sympathy......
Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus.
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Coritanian
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 September 2009 : 6:16:05 PM
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How dare you point the finger back at America, Ankhsy! They are blameless!!
I suppose they must believe in the old phrase: do as we say, not as we do.
So when the centurion and those with him, who were guarding Jesus, saw the earthquake and the things that had happened, they feared greatly, saying, “Truly this was the Son of God!”
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Beerswimmer
Invertebrate
USA
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Posted - 18 September 2009 : 04:29:13 AM
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WTF is wrong with you people
Actually where I'm at salmon, halibut, duck and venison are the only thing on people's minds. Winter is coming, we need to get our food!!!!! We don't have time to discuss the Euro's mistakes. 
UT ALII VIVANT!!!
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.” Theodore Roosevelt |
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Scout13
Single Cell Organism
USA
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Posted - 29 September 2009 : 03:01:32 AM
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Ankhsy, I take it your not to fond of Americans!
I am going to get my news here from now on because you seem to know more about whats going on with the people in America than I do.
Guess I should cancel the $500.00 kilt I ordered, would not want to disappoint your high opinion of ALL of us. Since you seen one American...You seen em all.
And by the way, I did not support, finance or give sympathy to anyone, well, except my Golden Retriever Dewey, when I rescued him from the dog pound.
Never realized Americans were so unpopular on this forum.
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 September 2009 : 08:56:02 AM
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I dont think they are really Scout Ankhsy isnt like that, its like anything in a media driven society, and its very easy to be emotionaly driven by news headlines.
it is a fact that certain segments of the US publuc did support and fund the IRA, and the IRA did bomb the UK and hold a terror campaign for decades, that campaign is still fresh in the minds of a lot for people.
There is a lot of hypocrasy (sp) all over in the US policies and in the Scottish and UK policies. Lets face it no matter what glossy image they put on it the release of this guy was OIL based and thats it, all else is a smoke screen of bull.
Centurion Parmenion
LASCIATE OGNE SPERANZA, VOI CH'INTRATE
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Peter Croft
Dinosaur
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 September 2009 : 11:00:20 AM
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Take it easy Scout. I travel to the US frequently on business (and pleasure) and frankly I am always delighted by the friendliness I encounter (sadly that excludes one or two NY taxi drivers I have encountered, not to mention some immigration officials). I have many good friends over there. It's the same with many wiht many parts of the world I visit. The thing is people are unfortunately inclined to assume that what a government does is reflective of its people. Take the Bush administration. After years of disastrous foreign policy (not to mention some bizarre domestic policies which have helped cause the current economic crisis) people very readily assumed he represented the US people. The massive mandate for Obama suggests otherwise, and suggests that the people are better than their leaders (Obama included now that he is struggling to deliver what he was voted in to deliver). So, anyway, a belated and warm welcome to the forum.
On the specifics of the release of the Libyan. Well, the evidence that convicted him was paper thin, but the US and the UK desperately needed a conviction that put Libya in the frame. It was a shameful show trial. What should be outraging people in the US and here is not that he was released, but that the governments aren't going after the real perpetrators. I wonder what deal they have struck with the real killers that has got them off the hook? |
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Scout13
Single Cell Organism
USA
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Posted - 30 September 2009 : 03:50:25 AM
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I completely agree! Trust me, I am very upset about many things that happen here in the U.S. Like I said before, I understand fully why the USA is looked at so badly and rightly so. I cant even buy Simons books here because it touched on religion a little to much for the softies (that makes me as mad as a wet chicken) But it is big money, politics and media that are guilty of making many of these poor decisions that outrage the world. Most Americans (excluding NY City and taxi drivers...lol) are fully outraged and very unhappy. The last year or so has been really bad here. Even though Americans like myself represent the majority of opinion, we have no voice. Our elected officials hear that voice and do nothing. Bottom line, It's all about money!!
But we (the majority of Americans) do not represent those ideals or agree with there decision making.
So that is why when the term Americans is used, it is a tad upsetting. It relates to all of us, and that is not fair because I agree with most of you, as do most Americans. I respect the UK and it's people very much. Does your Govt. do stupid things? and make bad decisions? like ours, yes, but I would never place the UK people as the culprits.
I have big shoulders and do not in any way want to look like a crybaby. I can handle the bashing of my Govt. just not our people.
I really enjoy chatting with all of you. I seem to relate to the people of the UK in a good way, I just hope the feeling is mutual. All my favorite writers are from the UK. (wish I had better access to there books)
Cheers!!!
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Livia
Single Cell Organism
USA
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Posted - 30 September 2009 : 06:35:43 AM
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I'll be the ignorant American(is there any other kind?) Wouldn't a boycott of Scottish goods be silly? Other than whisky and plaid cloth, what is there to buy? I've got my beer and blue jeans. What would America boycott- Maybe America should stop watching the Movie Braveheart. That would show Scotland. We got the Scottish on the run now.
The real question is how did the negotiators of the release of Megrahi ever have an intelligent conversation with Khadafi- I think he was smoking some good stuff at the United Nations.
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 September 2009 : 09:17:57 AM
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Ok then Scout how about we coin the term Planks to refer to american politicians? it works on more than one level (grin)
Centurion Parmenion
LASCIATE OGNE SPERANZA, VOI CH'INTRATE
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Simon Scarrow
Ape
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Posted - 30 September 2009 : 10:09:26 AM
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Hi Randy and Livia, welcome to this side of the pond (er, virtually - is there a pond in cyberspace? Actually, that's one of the delights of this forum - the fact that people from across the globe can sit down and communicate, share views and sometimes disagree vehemently!). I'd just like to echo the view that most Americans I have met have been nice people, and one American in particular - Bill Stubbs - was one of the most charming and wise individuals I have ever met.
As for politicians and the public, well they are a different species. I think that applies more generally too. What we have witnessed in the last year or so is a failure of the leadership class right across the world, with a few honourable exceptions. I remember reading a book about the Christmas truce in WWI where the soldiers who fraternised with the Germans came to realise that, language apart, they had far more in common with each other than each side had with their respective ruling caste. That is true now more than ever, I think. It will be interesting to see how the ruling classes of the world manage to wriggle out of the present crisis, and the pending environmental crisis. Roll on the revolution and power to the people. |
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Scout13
Single Cell Organism
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Posted - 01 October 2009 : 11:27:55 PM
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"Planks" It is Parm!!...Bigger Grin!!
We have enough "Planks" here in America to build a bridge all the damn way to the UK. Then I could finaly drive to a book store and buy the books I want!...lol.
Thanks Simon, It's a great pleasure to hear from you. There is one common thing that I think all will agree, You are one hell of a writer and your Eagle books are tops. One day soon I hope to start your other series, I plan to order them.
But thats a another thread.
Back to bashing on each other!!...Just kidding!
Simon, great points. I wonder also how things will pan out. I think you hit the nail on the head.
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Ankhsy
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 October 2009 : 12:20:28 PM
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Sorry, guys, i've been away and missing all this fun!
For the record, I am not anti-American. I may be anti-some-things-American, in the same way I am anti-some-things-british, or any other country nationality. I list issues to argue...er, sorry, discuss, on this forum which I think will grab scarrowags' ire, and it seems to be working. It gets people talking. And because America is at the forefront of news and issues in the world, what do you expect? Their foibles and reactions are far more widely advertised in the world press than anyone elses. Just because I criticise something Plankish doesn't make me anti-American. Some of the nicest people I know are American, like my third cousin, Joe (San Francisco), and my sisters in law, Pat (in Florida - I like her better than my brother who she is married to), and Lani (in Colorado).
For goodness sake, stand back and try and understand how Americans and America looks to people outside her shores. Some criticism are very valid. I didn't invent the two issues I raised at the start of this post. As for Americans encouraging the boycott of Scottish goods, read here. http://www.boycottscotland.com/ . As for American support for the IRA, read http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/1490663.stm .
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Coritanian
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 October 2009 : 1:18:01 PM
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I'm just intrigued to know, Scout, what books are you unable to get over there?
So when the centurion and those with him, who were guarding Jesus, saw the earthquake and the things that had happened, they feared greatly, saying, “Truly this was the Son of God!”
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The Delayer
Dinosaur
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 October 2009 : 5:41:42 PM
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Originally posted by Simon Scarrow
Hi Randy and Livia, welcome to this side of the pond (er, virtually - is there a pond in cyberspace? Actually, that's one of the delights of this forum - the fact that people from across the globe can sit down and communicate, share views and sometimes disagree vehemently!). I'd just like to echo the view that most Americans I have met have been nice people, and one American in particular - Bill Stubbs - was one of the most charming and wise individuals I have ever met.
As for politicians and the public, well they are a different species. I think that applies more generally too. What we have witnessed in the last year or so is a failure of the leadership class right across the world, with a few honourable exceptions. I remember reading a book about the Christmas truce in WWI where the soldiers who fraternised with the Germans came to realise that, language apart, they had far more in common with each other than each side had with their respective ruling caste. That is true now more than ever, I think. It will be interesting to see how the ruling classes of the world manage to wriggle out of the present crisis, and the pending environmental crisis. Roll on the revolution and power to the people.
Depends where you are. If you are in the lands of your fraternal communist brothers like Cuba/NKorea or China they either arrest you and then shoot you or simply send in tanks and troops and shoot you on the spot. |
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Scout13
Single Cell Organism
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Posted - 03 October 2009 : 12:35:36 AM
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Coritanian,
You can not get anything of Simons Eagle's past book #4. With Conn I. you can get some, but the release date seems to be months (or longer) after the UK release. I am still waiting to get his #3 Genghis, Bones. I downloaded it to my Sony E-Reader but still want the hardcopy. While I was waiting to get the Waterstone Special Edition of Gladiator I ordered from the UK, I had to go to a UK Waterstone site to Download it. (Seen it on this forum about the Gladiator download, Thanks much!)David Gemmel, one of my very fav's, Troy Lord of the Silver Bow and Shield of Thunder I was able to find but had to order Death of Kings from the UK. In fact I just ordered the Slipcase signed edition of Lord of The Silver Bow from the UK. There are several other titles of Roman History from UK writers, but I am sure you get the point. They are just not obtainable in Central NY. (One thing, as an American, I am guilty of, for heavy finacial support: not terrorists or the IRA, but, UK Royale Air Mail...lol)
I was a bit upset to read what Simon wrote, about religion playing a part why his later Eagle's are not for sale here. Thats just not right!!
Ankhsy,
Put yourself in my shoes and read the last part of your 1st post. I have never nor have ever known a single American citizen that took money out of there pocket, or anything else for that matter to support any aspect of the IRA, in fact I would be willing to bet that you would be hard pressed to find any at all. I am sure that there were some and who really knows what the Govt. does behind closed doors. As for showing sympathy to a terrorist, agian, the same holds true as said above, I would have to say that was the statement that made me a little hot (sorry).
I am a retired Police Officer and 4 of my best friends traded there lives to get others out of the main Tower when it fell, as you know, caused by terrorist's, I will say no more in regards to that. But you know how I feel about terrorist's of any nationality.
I am an average American, 80% are like me, 15% just do not care and 5% are bad apples. It's mainly that minority 5% that give the rest of us a bad label. I look very fondly at the rest of the world and hope to see much more of it and its culture in the near future.
So, to make a long story longer...lol. I now understand you were just making a post to dicuss topics and did not intend offense, I am sure, but again, put youself in my shoes! The only 2 posts from you I had the pleasure to see were (correct me if I am wrong) about a banning by Americans of a movie, an American boycott of Scotland, Americans support the IRA openly and Americans should be found guilty of showing sympathy to terrorist's...LOL! what would you think?? |
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Scout13
Single Cell Organism
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Posted - 03 October 2009 : 01:12:18 AM
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I did check those 2 sites. very interesting!!
The Boycott deal is a perfect example of one of those 5%'ers I spoke of. www:boycottscotland@gmail.com. He or she was not even brave enough to put a name to it. But, they certainly tried to write a book. You can bash American nutter groups like that all day long, with not a peep out of me!!...LOL
The BBC News stated that the main contributer to the IRA was indeed Americans, The Hard Line Irish/American community. Ankhsy come on now, That would hardly amount to American support of the IRA and also make us guilty of sympathy to terrorist's. Since I am of Irish decent, (on my fathers side, somewhere down the line) as is my wife, I am sure the guilty ones made up even a smaller group of Irish. That Irish/Ammerican community that did contribute was a few Irish money men that are no better than any terrorist group. Many innocent died with the use of there support. But an American support label can hardly be used on that topic. |
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Livia
Single Cell Organism
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Posted - 03 October 2009 : 07:16:54 AM
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Scout,
An Irish cop in New York. That is stereotypically perfect! From an American point of view, the Catholic/Protestant parades and terrorism makes no sense. Pray to whom you wish, just don't bug me. I have to agree with you Scout. I don't know of anyone who supported it. As well as any Irish immigrants I have met-all think it is just very sad.
I also have a hard time buying the more recent Eagle novels. I really have to search. I find Amazon has them, but it takes 4 weeks to have them sent. None of the other book sellers have them.
ENOUGH OF THIS I LIKE AMERICANS STUFF.... Put your gloves back on....
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The Delayer
Dinosaur
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 October 2009 : 08:14:37 AM
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Sorry Scout but The awful Ted Kennedy was a huge supporter. He even declared that if the protestants didnt like a united Island they should leave!!! Even though they had been there before his ancestors arrived on USA shores.
While Clinton gave Gerry Adams a visa despite huge britsh objections. And you know that Noraid reguarly put money in Sienn Fienns hands when they have the begging bowl out.
Back a few months ago on the BBC Have your say when those 2 soldiers and that copper were murdered they had posts from Americans about how the English (Not British??) should leave Ireland and deserve what they get !!.
Another poster even declared the Provos didnt kill civlians 
As for Irish descent so what there are millions of people of Irish descent or parentage or simply straight from Ireland in England now. |
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WarrenH
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 October 2009 : 11:16:11 PM
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WOW - what a ding dong!
Ok so here is my penny's worth!
Any person who can pick up a gun/bomb and kill incocent people is a MURDERER! Not a terroist but a plian sma simple mass murderer! and should be treated as such!
This person - whatever his dam name is - was sent over by Gadaffi to stand trail, and yes it was a show trail! And he got sentenced to x number of years in prison! SO what if the Scots released him? The kids who was sentenced in Bulgaria for assualt, is sent back to the UK to serve his sentence, and then he is released!
Serial killers here - get off lightly! Have and accident, use a "racist" remark, and WOW you get hammered! Everything here is arse about face! Criminals are free to do what they please, the Victims are ALWAYS the VICTIM! and HAVE NO RIGHTS!
PS: Lookup human rights - as a citizen of the UK, you do not have any rights under the human rights charter! (I do hope I get proved wrong, as when I asked, I was told, not in the UK you don't)
So some American are calling for a Boycott on Scotland - Where is Scotland by the way! My map stops at the Hadrians Wall! LOL -I am not bothered. this is nothing but fly on a turd - There are so many fly's on the turd, no-one knows which one is which!
Ok thats it - I am done - the Dog is snoring, I am tired and I am of to bed! So to those who do not know how to deal with an issue with out jumping off the bandwagon - or on to it! Get real!
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Scout13
Single Cell Organism
USA
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Posted - 05 October 2009 : 01:49:00 AM
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Livia, your right...LOL Pretty stereotypical, with my sur name being Higgins. I do have some Italian in me, on my mothers side. I am such a mutt. I think it has effected my brain...lol
Warren,
Good points! Your absolutly right! Anyone that picks up a gun or makes a bomb and kills innocents is a murderer/mass murderer. But dont think for one second that he/she (gotta give the girls there equal due!!...lol) is not a terrorist. A person who does those things are normally part of a group with some rightous bullshit agenda, and kill only for the better final outcome, to instill terror and fear into the hearts and minds of the group that oppose their cause. The innocents, most of the time are a by-product of the bigger master plan and were in the wrong place at the wrong time. I hear you on the other things, it is no diff. here in the U.S.
You guys wanna hear something funny? in 2001 I was working Nacotics, I was stabbed by a skel, a retribution thing stemming from another caper (long story). His charge was reduced by the County DA because he wanted a sure thing and his 100% conviction rate to stay intact for the upcoming election. The guy did 6 months in county jail, instead of 7-10 years hard time, for deadly assult on a Police Officer...lol
Delay,
I am not a fan of Teddy "Chapaquitick" Kennedy, LOL, A "Plank" if I ever seen one and, not only that but he fall's into the same category as the boycott Scotland nutter's group and other haters. They are all part of that American 5% population of bad apples.
I will tell you this, I am learning a few things on this thread that I did not know before. Ankhsy did get people talking about touchy subjects, and like Simon said, It is great to talk of such things with people of other nations even though you may disagree. Because it gets a little old hearing the majority American side of things all the time!! |
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Peter Croft
Dinosaur
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 October 2009 : 09:11:03 AM
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"Any person who can pick up a gun/bomb and kill incocent people is a MURDERER! Not a terroist but a plian sma simple mass murderer! and should be treated as such!"
Whoah, careful there Warren, or we're going to be clogging the courts up with all those bomb happy American pilots adding to the civilian body count in Afghanistan and Iraq. |
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Ankhsy
Homosapien
United Kingdom
7863 Posts |
Posted - 05 October 2009 : 10:51:07 AM
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Not to mention those innocents executed under legalised murder systems in countries with capital punishment.
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John Prigent
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 October 2009 : 10:57:40 AM
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As opposed to those innocents killed by released murderers in countries that are so uncivilised that they force the victims' relatives and friends to pay taxes to support murderers in prison on "life" sentences that end long before the murderers' deaths?
Cheers
John
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Ankhsy
Homosapien
United Kingdom
7863 Posts |
Posted - 05 October 2009 : 12:13:32 PM
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Blast!  (How's that for polite cursing? Can you imagine Macro saying "Blast"?)
There I was trying to be politically correct, and then John comes along and uses my own argument against me. I was being ironic. As you know, I'm all for capital punishment.
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John Prigent
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 October 2009 : 12:43:13 PM
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I knew you had tongue firmly inserted into cheek! Are you as far to the right of Attila the Hun as I am, Ankhsy?
Cheers
John
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Livia
Single Cell Organism
USA
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Posted - 06 October 2009 : 05:44:08 AM
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Prisons. What a strange concept for punishment. For anything over a short holding period, what a complete waste of resources. It is awful. Oh, you committed murder... now go sit in the corner for twenty years and we won't let you play with your friends. Oh yes, here is food. Do you need surgery to make you better so you can sit in here longer? I would prefer to reinstate Australia as a penal colony. Send them over there. Then let them do what they want. Sink any boat trying to leave. What a complete waste of resources to hole them up-we get no productive labor from them. They commit a crime, and then we pay for it, year after year. I think the Roman republic had it right- banish them or throw them off the rock. Do you think Australia would take one for the team?
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
14676 Posts |
Posted - 06 October 2009 : 10:52:17 AM
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why give them somewhere with beaches that nice, whats wrong with places like the falklands
Centurion Parmenion
LASCIATE OGNE SPERANZA, VOI CH'INTRATE
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Ankhsy
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 October 2009 : 1:51:34 PM
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The Falklands is a great idea for an open prison. What more can anyone want? unspoilt coastline, lots of wildlife, weaving and spinning during the winter months, getting rid of minefields during the summer months. And people even pay money to go there! http://www.visitorfalklands.com/ Give it a few generation of criminals and it'll turn into a nice country like Australia.
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 October 2009 : 1:53:12 PM
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im sure there are a few more islands like it we could use.
Centurion Parmenion
LASCIATE OGNE SPERANZA, VOI CH'INTRATE
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John Prigent
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Posted - 06 October 2009 : 3:42:29 PM
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Why waste money on long-haul transport for them? Not to mention the cost of getting food to them _and_ of keeping them away from the honest Falklanders - who might not be at all happy at having scum dumped on their islands. No, let's use one of the uninhabited islands in the Hebrides, Shetlands, or Orkneys. Thinks - which was the one that was used for germ warfare tests and is possibly still contaminated?
Cheers
John
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Parmenion
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Posted - 06 October 2009 : 4:09:21 PM
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who said we were going to feed them! they can fish! farm and raise sheep.
falklands was just an idea by all means name some uninhabited rocks with some topsoil for farming and dump em! giveem some seed stock and some tools and some start up cattle etc... then bugger off and see how long they last!
Centurion Parmenion
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American boycott of Scottish Goods
