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Peter
Single Cell Organism
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 14 September 2009 : 10:31:01 PM
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Hi Guy's n Girls, knew that would get your attention!
Question is, is there any film news?
Seams to me there's a deafening silence! Or is it 'no news is good news'?
So what are chances of the 'Eagles' becoming a series?
Are the film companies thinking there's a bit too much Rome about?
How about the (Dare i say it!) Americans, as they've no long term history of their own, do they need a Rome injection?
Anyone care to comment?
Peter
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Ankhsy
Homosapien
United Kingdom
7861 Posts |
Posted - 15 September 2009 : 09:18:51 AM
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This is info from Simon's http://www.undertheeagle.co.uk/ website on the proposal for a series.
I wouldn't want to see an american made series....although I suppose any series made is better than no series at all. But somehow, I do not see Cato and Macro with american accents. I personally do not think the Americans would be really interested, unless they could cast someone like Brad Pitt as Macro. Yuk!
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Simon Scarrow
Ape
Uruguay
1048 Posts |
Posted - 15 September 2009 : 09:37:28 AM
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
14676 Posts |
Posted - 15 September 2009 : 09:53:42 AM
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Fingers crossed!
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Peter
Single Cell Organism
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 September 2009 : 11:49:45 AM
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Thanks Simon, there is hope then, that's all I needed to hear.
I've always had an interest in the Romans. However, largely down to your eagles series, I suddenly find myself wanting to know every thing!
I do think Macro & Cato will knock the back out of the previous Rome series, not that its a competition, its just that for me & many I've spoken too; the detailed life of the roman legionaries & their personal daily struggles & battles are extremely interesting. Surly that's why Films like 'Gladiator', 'Saving Private Ryan','Master & Commander' were all huge successes, as well as the 'Band of Brothers' series, which for me, was one of the best war series I've watched.
Some how you've created these two character's, who tie together, an 'accurate' account of Roman history. I just can't see how that cannot be a roaring success!! Plus the eagles would appeal to a world wide audience. So, here's to hope.
Yeh Ankhsy, know what you mean! They do put on a good show though & would British accents be any more realistic? Politically, it could be a good time for an Angelo/American war story, many of our & their troops are away on a very public war against terror. What a good diversion.
As for Brad Pitt, he wasn't bad in 'Troy', But, Simon Craig or Russel Crow would incredible!!
Peter
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Ankhsy
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 September 2009 : 1:19:50 PM
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Originally posted by Simon Scarrow
Latest is that the film producer is pitching to US companies for funding. More anon.
Ooops!
My objection to american accents in a roman film is that it turns it into a western set in Roman times. Remember John Wayne in "The greatest story ever told"? I now you cannot remove accents completely, but something neutral (as in Gladiator) would be far better. As for Brad Pitt in "Troy", he turned Achilles into Brad Pitt. Not quite the idea.
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Peter
Single Cell Organism
United Kingdom
29 Posts |
Posted - 15 September 2009 : 1:56:56 PM
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Ankhsy, the Americans think the whole world should have an American accent! (just whisper Empire & you'll have them salivating on the quite)
Its a good point though! As you said, better a movie than no movie, but at what cost?
I totally agree with you, it really needs to be neutral, trouble with going American is they want it all their own way. Do remember the 'Enigma' film. That was an American film, so they wanted their version of the truth, Allegedly it was an American ship, not British, that found the 'U' boat in the middle of Atlantic with enigma? & Blechley Park wasn't even mentioned??
So when it comes to Eagles series, we may find that Vespasian is actually from a long north American descendants, probably related in way to George Washington!!
We live it Hope?
Peter
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Peter
Single Cell Organism
United Kingdom
29 Posts |
Posted - 15 September 2009 : 2:00:41 PM
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Ankhsy, love the new Murial thingy!
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scarrow
Forum Admin
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Posted - 15 September 2009 : 3:17:31 PM
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John Wayne - ...he truly was the son of God.
Director - CUT! Hey, John...can we do that line again? It was a bit flat, yakknow? This guy on the cross is like the Christ. I mean THE CHRIST, God's son! So I want a bit of awe there, okay? More 'awe'.
John Wayne - Uh...sure, okay.
Director: Okay, everyone, let's go again....and.....ACTION!
John Wayne - Awwwwww, he truly was the son of God.
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
14676 Posts |
Posted - 15 September 2009 : 3:22:56 PM
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would it not be "AWWwwww Shucks he truly was the gosh dang son a god!"
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Peter
Single Cell Organism
United Kingdom
29 Posts |
Posted - 15 September 2009 : 5:28:14 PM
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Think John Wayne 'was' the son of God for some people!
In most of his action films he had 30,000 rounds in his magazine & that takes some doing!
Peter
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Decurion
Single Cell Organism
USA
35 Posts |
Posted - 15 September 2009 : 6:05:27 PM
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Just a comment from the other side of the pond, but I detect a distinct current that a "British" accent is okay, but the idea of an "American" accent is abhorrent. Since neither one is correct, why slam either side? What about a compromise? One of each? Cast Macro as a Brit, and Cato as a (non-uber star) American? (Vice versa works as well) That way, something for everyone. Maybe mix some other accents to reflect the wide rage of people covered by the Empire. Some Germanic, French, (crazy thought, I know) Italian, etc. American film company for the funds, Brit/Canuck/Aussie crew, and filming throughout Europe/Middle East? I know I am making this quite a big operation, but the cost offset could be "unknown" actors (this also avoids the potential primadonna issues) Anyone else think this could work?
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Nísia
Small mammal
Portugal
773 Posts |
Posted - 15 September 2009 : 6:31:25 PM
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In my point of view no one would speak English neither "Bristsh" accent or American accent for me, it would be Latin. That's the right language they had spoken.
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Originally posted by Decurion
Maybe mix some other accents to reflect the wide rage of people covered by the Empire. Some Germanic, French, (crazy thought, I know) Italian, etc.
Do you known who will have a good French accent?
Figulus he came from French Celt
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Peter
Single Cell Organism
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 September 2009 : 6:58:57 PM
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Hi Decurion, Yeh, after all the legions came from all over the Roman Empire, so its gota be a good hit & very cosmopolitan.
Trouble with Latin is, not many people are going to understand it & sub-titles will spoil the show for many people.
Anyway, who knows what a Roman Latin accent sounded like?
Peter
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Peter
Single Cell Organism
United Kingdom
29 Posts |
Posted - 15 September 2009 : 7:05:20 PM
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Hey, could have Caractacus in a welsh Gaelic accent, now that would cause a stir? just don't tell the scotts!
Peter
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Decurion
Single Cell Organism
USA
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Posted - 16 September 2009 : 12:04:21 AM
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I think the Latin may be going a bit far, agreed. The different accents would get the point across, in my opinion, as well as giving everyone something to cheer about (local boy kills natives, that sort of thing...)Without boring everyone with a "Roman influence on your particular country" (interesting for many here and RAT, but the average viewer would be at the eyes glazed over stage in 10 minutes) Anyway, I am just spit-balling here, the logistics may be a bit much. But it would get the diversity as well as the unity of the legions across to John and Joan Q. Public.
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John Prigent
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 September 2009 : 11:13:54 AM
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Speaking for myself and my wife Joan, we're already well aware of both unity and diversity in the Legions :)
Cheers
John
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
14676 Posts |
Posted - 16 September 2009 : 1:27:21 PM
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if only your surname was public...LOL
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Decurion
Single Cell Organism
USA
35 Posts |
Posted - 16 September 2009 : 2:16:10 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by John Prigent
Speaking for myself and my wife Joan, we're already well aware of both unity and diversity in the Legions :)
Cheers
John
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Ankhsy
Homosapien
United Kingdom
7861 Posts |
Posted - 16 September 2009 : 2:25:04 PM
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Hey Decurion, no offence meant against American accents. I wouldn't want a strong English accent either. I grew up with American accents and I still understand them better than I do the English. But its just odd to hear a yank accent on a Roman period piece. It's so out of place.
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Decurion
Single Cell Organism
USA
35 Posts |
Posted - 17 September 2009 : 2:11:59 PM
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Well Ankhsy, you could say it is no more out of place than ANY modern accent. I doubt the current ones are at all like the early imperial era ones, but I do understand what you mean. And for the record, U-571 sucked. I am familiar with the real Enigma story, and hate it when anyone attempts to pass off bad history for correct. Historical fiction is one thing, but that monstrosity was of the scale.
By the way, no offense taken, I understand how my countryman sometimes suck all the air out of the room, so to speak. We do tend to try and dominate the issue.
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Ankhsy
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 September 2009 : 3:12:48 PM
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When the Italians, Spanish, Germans, French and japanese dub the films in their own language, it won't make a difference what the original accents were anyway.
Fancy "Troy" in Mexican Spanish? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhehwQlu3cw
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Decurion
Single Cell Organism
USA
35 Posts |
Posted - 17 September 2009 : 4:32:30 PM
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True Ankhsy. I guess I was only thinking about the "original" version.
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Lanista
Invertebrate
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 September 2009 : 08:12:44 AM
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I thought "Alexander" handled this really well with the Macedonians having (what could be considered) parochial or regional accents and the more cultured (effete?) Greeks having Shakespearean English accents, the Persians depicted as "English with a foreign accent."
I think to the American ear, English accents sound more classical - its as simple as that. And the reverse is true for contemporary pieces - think of Kate Beckinsale (hold on to that thought....right, move on) - in most of her films, she has an American accent. Why? Can't she be an Englishwoman in New York...probably, but there's an expectation amongst American audiences to see Americans on screen and having Kate with her accent in...I dunno..."Reservation" would have been jarring.
I'd have to disagree with Ankhsy about Brad Pitt in Troy - I thought he did a great job of not sounding like Brad Pitt. OK it was a strange accent...but it worked for me.
In the film "Gladiatress" the Romans all speak with Italian accents - its really funny and I don't think it would work for a serious piece if I'm honest. Though, to second guess myself, they were going to have Antonio Banderas as "Maximus" before the less-better-looking and not-quite-as-manly other Russell got the part. But...I think after all said and done, the "traditional" accents work best for me.
Cheers
Russ
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Scout13
Single Cell Organism
USA
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Posted - 20 September 2009 : 8:56:20 PM
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Many "yanks" like myself are quite serious Roman History lovers (due to the lack of are own extensive history) and the thought of a (like you Brits would say)"whanker" like Brad Pitt in a roman history movie is quite disturbing, to say the very least!!
Besides, most of us came from over there anyway, we just ended up a little watered down from our original roots...lol
I would be very happy to see any movie of the Eagle Series, as long as it does not stray from the great writing that Simon has done in the Eagle books and Brad Pitt is not within a 500 miles of the filming.
I just purchased a signed special edition of The Gladiator from the UK. Whats this talk of a Postal Strike???? It better not delay my book...lol. I have waited a very long time to read this.
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Scout13
Single Cell Organism
USA
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Posted - 20 September 2009 : 8:56:32 PM
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Many "yanks" like myself are quite serious Roman History lovers (due to the lack of are own extensive history) and the thought of a (like you Brits would say)"whanker" like Brad Pitt in a roman history movie is quite disturbing, to say the very least!!
Besides, most of us came from over there anyway, we just ended up a little watered down from our original roots...lol
I would be very happy to see any movie of the Eagle Series, as long as it does not stray from the great writing that Simon has done in the Eagle books and Brad Pitt is not within a 500 miles of the filming.
I just purchased a signed special edition of The Gladiator from the UK. Whats this talk of a Postal Strike???? It better not delay my book...lol. I have waited a very long time to read this.
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Decurion
Single Cell Organism
USA
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Posted - 21 September 2009 : 6:51:12 PM
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Okay, so many of us agree. NO BRAD PITT! All things considered, the accents are really a small point. The actors being believable is much more important, in my opinion. Too me, that mean less well known, and thus (hopefully) less egotistical and more believable in these roles.
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Markus Rex
Single Cell Organism
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 October 2009 : 08:46:56 AM
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Hello All, I'm a new reader of the series, I saw a copy of Centurion on the shelf at Waterstones last year some time and as I have an interest in that sort of thing (avid player of Rome total war!) I picked it up, since then I've read the whole series, including Gladiator and a re-read of Centurion...actually came in here to see if plans are afoot for book 10...? But seeing as there is possibly going to be a movie/series made then I thought I'd pitch in with my 2 pence worth....
I saw some discussion regarding accents for the actors....and I have to say I would be against an american accent for this series, now I don't have anything against the American accent itself but for something like this it might push it towards the "Legendary journeys of Hercules" which would be awful. Also, as a reader I've picked up on some particularly English phrases that Mr Scarrow sprinkles throughout his text, such as Macro calling people "Sunshine", as an English Southerner perhaps I just impose my own cultural references on the story and that is why I see Macro as a Cockney working class hardnut and Cato as a posh, well spoken young lad. I'd like to see some diversity in accents, much like a few others have said on here, the Roman Empire stretched across most of Europe, so it would be only natural that a number of differing accents were heard. That said, I would hope the series stayed a British project and the Romans had British accents (perhaps toned down to be more "neutral").
Anyway, that was quite a lot of waffling so I'll be quiet now....Cheers
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Ankhsy
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 October 2009 : 11:18:02 AM
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Salve, Markus, and welcome to this corner of the world. Nooo, don't be quiet! We need scarrowags to be VOCAL on this forum.
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Titus Tullius Hibernus
Single Cell Organism
Ireland
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Posted - 21 October 2009 : 6:07:51 PM
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Its realy a bit like Marcus said, a lot of the words they use and the way they talk is more british than amercain (americans dont say bollocks do they?). Itd b cool to hav loadsa different accents frm all oer europe but itd make an americain accent kind off outta place.
This is merely a boring historical fact but I think tht the Celts should hav irish accent becaus its probably nearest to what a celt would of sounded like, because irish gaelic is more similar to the ancient celtic than Scottish Gaelic or Welsh (for example original celtic had no "p" sound in it and the welsh added one while the irish kept changing it to a "k" sound e.g. Mac and Map)
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stuartr
Single Cell Organism
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Posted - 21 October 2009 : 7:01:39 PM
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Originally posted by Titus Tullius Hibernus
(americans dont say bollocks do they?).
I spent an evening in the pub with a couple of American colleagues who were over on business explaining the various ways in which the word bollocks can be used. Try explaining to a half drunk american why "Its the bollocks" is a compliment while "It's bollocks" isn't....... |
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