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WarrenH
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 13 October 2009 : 12:52:08 PM
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Here is one idea I have been running though my mind, and would like the S-wags HONEST opinion:
Benefits: All those on Job Seekers, and have been for a period of time, report to the Local Job Centre every Monday say, or point as instructered. Here they ar allcoated jobs within there expertiese, and sent to work in those areas around their area/town. Eg:
General Workers: - Street Cleaning, Rubbish Collecting, etc (some other ideas)
Specialised areas:
Contrucrtion: Building, manitance of houses roads where needed.
Business people: Helping other business, setting up projects, running them etc.....
(This is only a few idea's)
Ok so we have them doing that, now when they sign up, they can prove that have been "working" and have been doing the hours that are required - and they get paid their benefits accordingly! YES THEY WILL BE WORKING FOR THE MONEY THEY RECEIVE>
I am on Incapacity - I hate it, I amd doing my utmost to get back work, mind will, body is shot to hell - Thanks to the NHS! - Yet I am a Vice Chiar for the School Governors, I am Chair for the my Tenants & residents Association, I am a FCHO committe and deal with the Local PACT forums. (sometimes ai rund out time) and this is been done to help my community. So in essence I am working - although at my place.
I have certian person(s) who are aon benefits, who do NOTHING, yet can go Holiday to Spain! HOW THE HELL DO THEY DO IT? none work - not even underhand! They sit and drink all day?
I am at a loss of what to do, and to how go about doing it RIGHT!
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CTL666
Invertebrate
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 October 2009 : 1:22:09 PM
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Originally posted by WarrenH
Here is one idea I have been running though my mind, and would like the S-wags HONEST opinion:
Benefits: All those on Job Seekers, and have been for a period of time, report to the Local Job Centre every Monday say, or point as instructered. Here they ar allcoated jobs within there expertiese, and sent to work in those areas around their area/town. Eg:
General Workers: - Street Cleaning, Rubbish Collecting, etc (some other ideas)
Specialised areas:
Contrucrtion: Building, manitance of houses roads where needed.
Business people: Helping other business, setting up projects, running them etc.....
Great idea, but you haven't thought it through.
You want to take a bunch of people who will probably resent such a scheme and force them to work in locations all over the town.
How will you get these people to where they need to be, when they need to be there?
Who will pay for their transport costs?
Who will pay for any tools, protective clothing, equipment, materials etc?
How will you ensure that every work site has the required insurance coverage for such non-professional people to work there?
How will you stop people from walking off with the tools, materials or equipment and selling it on eBid.net, eBay or elsewhere?
How much will it cost to have hundreds of extra staff to go with these workers and ensure they are doing what they are supposed to?
Will these job sites be council sites or private sites? If council, then what about the regular council workers, are they going to get laid off because someone else is doing their job for nothing? If private, why should private individuals benefit from work done on the public purse?
These points are just OTTOMH. Proper long term thinking would produce many more problems.
I can sympathise with your desire to see people earn their way, but I don't think this is the way to go.
D.
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Ankhsy
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 October 2009 : 1:35:08 PM
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I really do not understand people (who can work) who say they cannot get a job. What they mean is they cannot get a job that they want to do that makes it worth their while to work. I'd just stop their benefits.
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CTL666
Invertebrate
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 October 2009 : 1:57:20 PM
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Originally posted by Ankhsy
I really do not understand people (who can work) who say they cannot get a job. What they mean is they cannot get a job that they want to do that makes it worth their while to work. I'd just stop their benefits.
I thought that was what happens already?
Don't those on Jobseekers have to prove the are actively seeking?
D.
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Ankhsy
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 October 2009 : 3:30:54 PM
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Depends on how actively the job centre reviews individual situations. I understand that after the first interview, there isn't another review until 6 months later. As for "proof", use of fraudulent documentation and abuse (cash in hand work undeclared) of the "working for less that 16 hours a week" is a problem (although I do not know what the statistics are because apparently job centres are not required to keep track of how often they identify fraudulent documentation).
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WarrenH
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 October 2009 : 4:25:23 PM
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CLT666 - Yes what I had typed was an idea, NOTE - AN IDEA!
So the idea now is not to take ans smash in little bitty pieces, or I'll hand you over to our Mr Croft for lessons!
WE HAVE A PROBLEM, IT NEEDS TO BE DEALT WITH? HOW THE HELL ARE WE GOING TO DEAL WITH IT? WHO ARE WE GOING TO APPROACH WITH THE CONCEPT AND WHAT HAPPENS NEXT.
The whole idea for for person like yourself, and other to submitt ideas! Dam I have typed that word IDEAS again, there - i did it again. If you want to trash or criticise ideas well that is you right. Kindly stick to the plan, submitt your ideas! Or maybe you haven't got any?
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Peter - it would appear someone is trying to take your throne away!
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CTL666
Invertebrate
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 October 2009 : 5:58:23 PM
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Originally posted by WarrenH
CLT666 - Yes what I had typed was an idea, NOTE - AN IDEA!
So the idea now is not to take ans smash in little bitty pieces, or I'll hand you over to our Mr Croft for lessons!
WE HAVE A PROBLEM, IT NEEDS TO BE DEALT WITH? HOW THE HELL ARE WE GOING TO DEAL WITH IT? WHO ARE WE GOING TO APPROACH WITH THE CONCEPT AND WHAT HAPPENS NEXT.
The whole idea for for person like yourself, and other to submitt ideas!
Oh, I am sorry if you are offended by the fact I took the trouble to reply. I mistakenly thought that when you asked for honest opinions, you wanted honest opinions. Clearly there is a secret code being used here of which I am unaware; please forgive me not knowing that when you asked for one thing you actually meant something else.
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Originally posted by WarrenH
If you want to trash or criticise ideas well that is you right.
A right which you get upset when I exercise.
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Originally posted by WarrenH
Kindly stick to the plan, submitt your ideas! Or maybe you haven't got any?
I've obviously missed where in your original message you asked for other suggestions to be submitted. Perhaps you could show me? I foolishly thought that we could express our opinions on topics raised and discuss matters like adults. <Shrug>
However, as you have now asked, I shall answer. It is not up to us to solve what you see as a problem. We are in no position to be approaching anyone in an attempt to deal with the issue. It is the job of those in the government and the appropriate departments who are employed to deal with such issues. It is our job to weigh up whether we agree with the aggregate of their decisions over time and to decide whether we want them back in power next time or not. If you don't like how the government is dealing with this issue - and others, of course - then vote someone else in and let them have a go.
D.
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WarrenH
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 October 2009 : 7:21:52 PM
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Ok let me try this again but slowly.
I am asking for ideas, possibilities..............an intelligent debate about relevant issues.......
Thanks for ur reply CLT. What you have stated has been the problem for the lost 20-30 odd years and now we are having to deal with the situation.
Personally we need to get MP's/Councillors by the short and curlies and tell what we want, and hpw we invision us getting their! If and when they do not deliver, we vote them out! Great wonderful!
Just a small problem: Most voters - +/-70% of the UK populas DOES NOT VOTE! Why should they vote, what we say, they do nmot listen, as they are going to do what they want to do! That is the attitude we have deal with.
As Ankhsy has stated on another thread, we need to bring education down to these members of populas and train change into them. Now whaty the hell have I been doing? I have re-established my Tenant and Resident Association, I have got some extravert people onto the committee, we have held various functions, my wife holds "Card making" classes - the particpants are happy to come, a few will offer to club in for the items that are used, the others, at the slightest request for a donation to help fund the class, we have a cloud of smoke and the seats are empty! That is just one such example.
My Local School has had to adobt a parental attitude to some of the kids, as the kids DO NOT GET ANYTHING FROM THEIR PARENT(S)! These kids love coming to school and they learning, I have some coming to me and asking me to help with their homework/projects, the parents do not give a dam!
This is the attitude that we have to deal with.
So CLT666:
What would you do with that attitude?
How would you deal with it?
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CTL666
Invertebrate
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 October 2009 : 8:54:33 PM
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Originally posted by WarrenH
So CLT666:
What would you do with that attitude?
How would you deal with it?
There is nothing you can do.
Legally you have no rights whatsoever. You can't make the parents or the kids do anything they don't want to do. It is great that you and yours offer some free services, but be honest, how far is that going to get you?
The problems you are talking about are extremely complex and would require changes to be made right across society. That would take changes to the law and changes to family, it would take time and it would take a lot of money.
The problems came about partially because of earlier changes in our society. In days gone by families grew up and stayed in the same place often for three or more generations. Now we move around all over the place chasing jobs. Family fragmentation has taken away a huge amount. No longer do the younger generations have regular contact with older people. There is no respect given to them nor learning from them. They are no longer the support network they used to be. Kids are now set adrift in the world with little moral or practical guidance. Combine that with a poor education and a selfish, consumer society and you have the level of disaster we now see. Kids learn from their parents and older relatives; if the parents don't give a toss and nobody else offers guidance, the kids will be even worse.
The legal situation makes things even worse. Kids no longer have a fear of punishment. Right from an early age parents who want to discipline their kids are prevented from doing so. School teachers and educators also have their hands tied. The local coppers also have to work with their hands tied. So kids grow up with no morals, no education, no guidance, no fear of retribution or punishment and we have the disaster that you think can be fixed with one or two simple ideas.
Hasn't it occurred to you that it might be too late to put this particular genie back in the lamp?
D.
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WarrenH
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 October 2009 : 9:05:26 PM
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HBy sittinmg back and doing nothing is incouraging this behaviour to grow unchecked and slowly destory our society. Something is going ot have to be done and DAM soon, if not, well we will become another part of the 3rd world with nothing to show but drunks and addicts!
If I am to do nothing, then it time for me to pick my family and leave the sinking ship!
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CTL666
Invertebrate
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 October 2009 : 9:21:07 PM
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Originally posted by WarrenH
HBy sittinmg back and doing nothing is incouraging this behaviour to grow unchecked and slowly destory our society. Something is going ot have to be done and DAM soon, if not, well we will become another part of the 3rd world with nothing to show but drunks and addicts!
No, you're wrong there. By that stage we won't have a society. Everything will have fallen apart long before then, so the supply of drugs and alcohol will have stopped. Perhaps the "cure" is to destroy what we now have and start again with a new set of rules?
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Originally posted by WarrenH
If I am to do nothing, then it time for me to pick my family and leave the sinking ship!
Just out of interest, where would you go that is better than here and doesn't have the same problems? I think you'll find that unless you go to an entirely different culture that has limited contact with the western world, you won't find anywhere any better.
D.
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