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scarrow
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 Posted - 22 October 2009 : 8:51:05 PM
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Everyone got their popcorn ready for the big bun fight? Should make for interesting tv.
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Mace
Small mammal
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 October 2009 : 11:47:53 PM
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Could have pushed Griffen a bit harder, I thought.
TBH, the Tory MP was the only one that impressed, as Bonny was a waste of time ('till he last statement), Straw was rambling and the LD was pushing party politics too much.
It wasn't untill the guy near the end pointed out how poorly Labour had dealt with the BNP/immigration that there was a proper debate on the issue.
I actually think this will mark the highlight of the BNP's existance, as Griffen was shown to be merely trying to hide his racist ideals behind a thin vinear. It's a pity that the debate over immagration and integration has had to be overshadowed by the BNP, as I'm now afraid that it won't be discussed aain for fear of allowing them more air time.
"My Mom says I'm cool"
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scarrow
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Posted - 23 October 2009 : 12:05:02 AM
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Mace
Small mammal
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 October 2009 : 12:18:30 AM
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plenty of another liquid being sprouted though...
"My Mom says I'm cool"
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Simon Scarrow
Ape
Uruguay
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Posted - 23 October 2009 : 12:22:09 AM
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Griffin was exposed as evasive, ignorant and dishonest - which doesn't come as much of a surprise. I don't think he will have won any votes on the back of that performance.
It was depressing that the whole programme became about the BNP though. And Straw, as ever, was useless and waffly. There was one moment in particular where he totally vidicated my argument that political pusillanimity has created a need for the BNP. In answer to the black member of the audience who had raised the question about immigration Straw said: 'I have a mixed racial heritage and therefore am an immigrant, and I don't know if that's true of you...' The fact that he had to qualify his comment in such an overtly cringeworthy pc way proves how gutless politicians have become in their dread of having any possible racial nuance in their conversation. So it was refreshing to watch the opening of This Week immediately afterwards where Andrew Neil introduced Diane Abott and Miguel Portillo as the 'chocolate chip cookie and custard creme of political biscuits.' Way to go Mr Neil! |
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scarrow
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Posted - 23 October 2009 : 08:08:55 AM
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Heh...I saw that. deinfately a refreshing contrast between the two shows.
I think Baroness Waarsi seemed to make the sharpest points. Bonnie Greer was eloquent in a sort of vacuous way....but Jack Straw was a complete waste of bloody space.
And Griffin? Hmmm...came across as a complete knob. |
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Simon Scarrow
Ape
Uruguay
1048 Posts |
Posted - 23 October 2009 : 08:56:40 AM
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And now this morning on radio 4, the news headline was: "Griffin said that indigenous British people have become aborigines in their own country." The implication here is that they are being treated like Australian aborigines, yet the point he was making in the programme was that the indigenous British were the aborgines (as in from the beginning). Now either some ignoramus at the BBC got the wrong end of the stick, or they are twisting this one to make it look like Griffin is making a complaint about the treatment of white people.
Don't get me wrong, I loathe the guy more than ever, but I don't like the way the BBC have played this out. I just hope that the event has done more to harm the prospects of the BNP than help it. |
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WarrenH
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 October 2009 : 09:19:13 AM
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I started to watch it, even recorded part of it to watch it later at my leisure. I managed to get through the first 5 mins, and flipped my lid!
MP's - Rude, evasive, aggressive and very over rated.
Public - VERY RUDE. Aggressive, uneducated, and darn right obnoxious!
BBC1 Put Griffin on the "box" as it is a DEMOCRACY, or at least that was what I last heard, and the BNP does have a right to spout there crap - Labour/Torries/Lib Dems all do it (Yes and all the other parties as well). SO why not the BNP, Labour Changed from Labour to New Labour and no-one said anything! BNP changes tack, ideals and why you are not aloud to do that!
Not only was I disappointed in how the QT was run, the panel, I was very disgusted the way the public behaved.
Now my OPINION: Take it or leave it!
Do we want BNP in power? NO! So why the hell does the other parties look at why the BNP has achieved the Votes it did in the last EU election, and start working to combat it!
Hitler came to power, why? He put food on the table, he gave the German people something to believe in, and he gave them jobs! Hitler won (Corrected see Delayers post)- the rest is history!
(Why is it we have only learn form the neagtive side of history and not the positive side?)
SO we need to enable the people to get food, we need to give them jobs, we need to give them something to believe in, we need to give the people pride in who and what they are......
Then we will defeat the BNP! and only then!
By taking them on, head on, is going to vindicate their position and drive more people into their clutches.
I have told my local councillor, that in order to get the BNP vote down, we (councillors and public) need to work together, on common goals, and start DELIVERING! People on the ground are not arsed about Immigration; racialism etc - All they are concerned about:
- education of the kids,
- jobs for themselves so they can provide for their families,
- put a roof over their heads...
They do not have time or the energy to waste over crap!.
These are people we need to help, secure their jobs - stop them going overseas - deal with the banks - so they stop ripping us off! We need to ensure that we can provide a secure living environment for these people, and us to live in! And only then will we see the demise of the BNP!
The BNP is a wakeup call that most are ignoring:
(1)Why are people voting for them?
People are voting for them as the main parties are FAILING them, jobs Losses, Banks crisis, Health Sector failures, and pride in oneself has been stripped away.
The BNP is offering all this back!
(2)How are they able to get the level of attendance that they do get?
People attend Politcal party speeches and what happens, nothing, words , words, words and nothing but bad gas is developed! (Green House Gasses are increased dramatically) BNP does not promise anything better, that are just giving the people what the people want to hear! And in places they have delivered! That is what makes the difference!
(3)What is it that draws people to them?
As with 1 & 2, They deliver and therefore people will go to where they are going to get what they need to survive! That is the key item here! SURVIVE!
The Political Parties need sit back, assess what they are doing, how they are doing and start to deliver on their promises. Not on worldwide crap. But on the needs of our country the UK, England, Wales, Northern Ireland and yes Scotland (that is till the wall is built up again – LOL).
What do these parties need to do:
(1) Give us back our Jobs.
(2) Give us back our pride of whom and what we are.
(3) Give us back our communities.
(4) Sort the Dam Banks out!
(5) Give us the proper education we need to progress and get to the top of the world again.
(6) Roads, Hospitals – Yes sort that lot of plonkers out! They are doctors so doctor! Not tick boxes.
(7) Those who have worked all there lives, and paid in, give them a decent pension to live on not the bread line pension that is give at the moment.
I can go on, but will stop here.
I DO NOT SUPPORT THE BNP, NEITHER DO I SUPPORT ANY OF THE CURRENT POLICAL PARTIES, THEY ARE ALL PLONKERS, AND ALL DESERVE TO BE SACKED!
So there you have it. My Penny’s worth some will berate it, some will praise and some well will ignore it and rant on! To be Honest “I really don’t give a dam!” LOL
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WarrenH
Homosapien
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Posted - 23 October 2009 : 09:25:49 AM
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Originally posted by Simon Scarrow
And now this morning on radio 4, the news headline was: "Griffin said that indigenous British people have become aborigines in their own country." The implication here is that they are being treated like Australian aborigines, yet the point he was making in the programme was that the indigenous British were the aborgines (as in from the beginning). Now either some ignoramus at the BBC got the wrong end of the stick, or they are twisting this one to make it look like Griffin is making a complaint about the treatment of white people.
Don't get me wrong, I loathe the guy more than ever, but I don't like the way the BBC have played this out. I just hope that the event has done more to harm the prospects of the BNP than help it.
Why is it that when a statement is made that is in essence true the, truth has to be subverted, twisted to prove a totally invaled point, and the actuall person is then attacked! The denotes to week intellgence and simply the lack of any coherant though on the individual... we are supposed to be educated! The like hell we are - Most are still in the Dark Ages!
What waste of an hour or so of TV time last night - not that there was anything to watch! LOL
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The Delayer
Dinosaur
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 October 2009 : 09:36:45 AM
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You mention Hitler Warren but he got in due to PR which was the system they used there and the system the Lib-Dems constantly bang on about over here (Only cause it would get them in power).
As for the Panel Baroness Warsi was the best and came across very well. Straw was caught out by the did Labours Immigration polices bring about the rise of the BNP (The awnser is obviously yes).
Chris Hume was a typical Lib-Dem pointless. He attacks Straw before Bumbelby pointed out he voted for that immgration policy too.
As for Griffin all the barracking and posturing whether it was audience or protesters was unesscary as he basicaly hung himself and was exposed as a nasty lightwieght with his absurd rants. |
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Ankhsy
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 October 2009 : 10:29:11 AM
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The moment I heard who else was going to be on with griffin, I didn't bother to watch it. What a bunch of lightweights!
Griffin may have absurd rants, but he is not alone and he represents British who voted for him in enough numbers to make him an MEP. I think the BNP should be taken very seriously because they are a symptom of what is wrong with society. And the Labour Government should take a huge part of the blame of having allowed the social situation to deteriorate during their rule to such a point that people turn to political organisations such as the BNP for a solution to their perceived problems. I do not understand the people who demonstrated against his appearance on Question Time. The real problem lies in the law that enables such a person with such views to form a legitimate political party. As the law permits the BNP to exist, then he has every right to air them. Nor should such view be squashed because otherwise they fester in quieter corners, and one day will explode big time unless the public are better aware that such views are alive and growing in Britain, and deal with the underlying causes accordingly.
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WarrenH
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 October 2009 : 10:40:54 AM
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Well said!
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WarrenH
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Posted - 23 October 2009 : 10:46:24 AM
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Originally posted by The Delayer
You mention Hitler Warren but he got in due to PR which was the system they used there and the system the Lib-Dems constantly bang on about over here (Only cause it would get them in power).......
Thankyou Delayer - My post is corrected accordingly with reference to your post.
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Mace
Small mammal
United Kingdom
738 Posts |
Posted - 23 October 2009 : 1:08:47 PM
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Agree about Straw. Thought he was a waste of time last nigt.
If the BNP do gain more voters from last nights QT, it's more down to the panel and audience treating Griffen with contempt than because he came accroos as intelegent or articulate.
The panel should have treated his points with the responsible, adult and intelegent examination that we have a right to expect. Instad, they decided they should be ruder and more outraged than the other, and actualy let him off the hook.
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CTL666
Invertebrate
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 October 2009 : 1:57:31 PM
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It seems to me that the majority of people think that if the public really knew what the BNP were like that all support would melt away. The problem is that this idea is completely wrong. The vast majority of those who voted for them are extremely aware of what the BNP are like and agree with their attitude. Pulling back the curtain and revealing Nick Griffin and his cohorts in all their evil vileness will not make any difference. In addition to that, it is not just the immigration policy (assuming they actually have one) of the government which has resulted in the rising popularity of the BNP. Parties like the BNP always gain in power and popularity in times of civil displeasure with the existing government, in areas where poverty is on the rise, where levels of education are low and where the people have become disengaged from the regular political process usually as a result of feeling that mainstream politicians no longer represent them or their views. The constant greed, lies and failure to take responsibility for mistakes (or even for those acts where they've been caught outright breaking the law) of the majority of politicians is more than enough to alienate even those who despise the BNP and all they stand for, so it is no wonder that a great many are looking for an alternative.
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WarrenH
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 October 2009 : 4:33:23 PM
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Ok get out the raincoats, umbrellas, life jackets rafts etc...... I actaully agree with CTL666!
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Ankhsy
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 October 2009 : 5:04:12 PM
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I do too.
Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus. |
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Fast Paul
Ape
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 October 2009 : 6:53:17 PM
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My view is similar...the popularity of the BNP is a direct corollary of the negligence of mainstream politics and their joint apathy and derision of the general public.
Griffin eminated enormous vicissitude in view and policy as was to be expected in his leap to mainstream politics.
I`m actually quite worried, though not surprised, about the BNP`s emergence with all these corrupt and semi-literate main stream politicians flogging their own agendas for re-election and future prosterity. What about what`s best for the Country?
We`re in dire need of a heavyweight politician with the Countries best interests at heart, but with no candidates on the horizon.
Simon.....Your Country Needs YOU.......time to step forward, and pick up the pieces. Macro, Cato, The Duke and the Frog are going to have to wait a while, I`m afraid!
It`s true that opposite`s attract!
Thats why your surrounded by beautiful, intelligent, happy people! |
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