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John Prigent
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 21 July 2006 : 7:29:26 PM
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The BBC reports proposals for an enormous mosque to be built in Newham, on a 16 acre site and accomodating 40,000.
Is it time to say that enough is enough? Should permission for such an edifice be withheld until Islam allows an Anglican cathedral in Mecca? Or if that's too far-fetched, until Christians are allowed to wear crosses in Moslem countries without harassment? Remember the Army Padres that had to take off their Cross badges in Saudi Arabia, when Western armies were there to defend the Saudis and liberate Kuwait? I remember very well a Coptic Christian in Egypt telling my wife how brave she was to wear her Girls Brigade badge with a tiny cross on it, because his fellow worshippers were physically attacked for such things.
Cheers
John
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MartynK
Invertebrate
South Africa
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Posted - 21 July 2006 : 8:28:16 PM
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Logically, Muslims should be restricted to practicing their religion in private - no mosques, no muezzin, no distinctive dress (surely this is an issue for the spy cameras?) in public - in much the same way as Christians and everyone else has to follow the law in Saudi Arabia.
I've sometimes wondered how British Muslims, those who regard themselves as Muslim first and British some way below that, would feel if the UK took them at their word and applied Sharia law in all their cases. This is a bit ridiculous, but there are far too many people taking advantage of the relative tolerance and freedom of the West to insist on having everything their own way when it suits them, but who have no intention of reciprocating and yelp about their rights whenever they feel offended. I have a feeling they'd get pretty short shrift in their own countries.
As a matter of interest, how does the UK deal with Muslim polygamy, which is perfectly legal under their own code? Do they take any position on this at all, or just fall back on hypocrisy and political correctness and pretend it doesn't really happen?
FWIW, I don't believe it's any of the govenment's business how many spouses someone has, providing they are all content with the arrangement. After all, "gays" are allowed to "marry", which is a complete parody of the institution, so why shouldn't everyone else be allowed to marry as many people as they wish? |
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Alex Scarrow
Ape
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Posted - 21 July 2006 : 9:04:52 PM
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Personally speaking, it worries me a great deal. I see it as a very visual indication of the inevitable islamization of this country. Let me make a very important point here though. I am anti ALL religions. And were I to protest against the building of this mosque, I would also - if I were to avoid being a hypocrite - have to protest against the existence of St Pauls Cathedral...and insist it be knocked down.
I think the practical line I have to draw in the ground is this; no religion should be allowed to decide/enforce laws. Once that particular line looks like it's in danger of being crossed, that's when I'll race out with my banner and start shouting from the rooftops. |
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Ankhsy
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 July 2006 : 9:55:14 PM
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I'm totally with France in that the nation is a secular republic and that the practice of any one's religion must be discreet. While I believe that there must be free execise of religion, it must at all times be subject to secular laws made without any interference from religion.
If anyone want to build a huge mosque to accommodate 40,000 people, then as long as it is subject to the same planning and health & safety regulations as any other venue for 40,000 people, I don't really care. But I do believe there should be laws controlling public displays of religious affinity, and that the secular rules of a country takes precedence over any religious rules.
"It's hard to work in a group when you're omniscient."
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MartynK
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South Africa
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Posted - 21 July 2006 : 10:00:23 PM
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Alex, I can't agree with you here. Objecting to this new mosque doesn't create any obligation to call for the destruction of a magnificent historical building. There's no hypocrisy at all.
People shouldn't be forced to follow any religion, and religions certainly shouldn't be allowed to impose their views on the legal system - although it's probably not any more absurd than a lot of the nonsense secular "representatives" come up with - but most of the misery associated with religon over the centuries was caused by human bigotry, arrogance, ignorance, selfishness and greed, and not by religion as such.
I don't believe there's any real danger of Britain becoming Islamized. The British have never been very religious, for a lot of reasons, and I don't think they would tolerate a process that tried to force them into following a particular faith. It's been tried so many times before, and never really succeeded. |
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Big Dave
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 July 2006 : 10:36:26 PM
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It is hardly sensible to say that Muslims can only have something here if other countries treat christians better. Surely that is just lowering ourselves to their level.
Why does it need to house 40,000?
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Stomachus Grossus
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 September 2006 : 8:42:28 PM
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Im all for this idea, if they want to worship then let them. As a christian who has been to various countries, as a missionairy, where my life has been in serious danger i am all for open worship and tollerance of all religions whether i believe in them or not.
Id love to know how they are getting planning permission as my church cannot get change of use for a factory unit with only 10000 sq metres of footprint.
Urino -are!!!!
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Ankhsy
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 September 2006 : 4:52:01 PM
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Originally posted by Big Dave
It is hardly sensible to say that Muslims can only have something here if other countries treat christians better. Surely that is just lowering ourselves to their level.
Why does it need to house 40,000?
Perhaps they are hoping for converts?
"It's hard to work in a group when you're omniscient."
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Stomachus Grossus
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 September 2006 : 5:40:36 PM
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There are loads of people turning to Islam in the UK not just asians either
Urino -are!!!!
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ojl
Single Cell Organism
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 July 2007 : 2:25:25 PM
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I strongly object to the proposal to build a Mosque at the site of the London Olympics.
It has long been accepted that Britiain remains a predominantly Christian country. In a time when all things British are being erroded I find it objectional that we pander to the wishes of a minority sect.
It appears to me that St Pauls Cathedral and Westminster Abbey are looking a bit jaded and old . Could we not invest public money in a new Christian Church ?
Need you look further than Finsbury Park mosque to see what benefit this would have to the community!!
Sicerely
Olwen
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Stomachus Grossus
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 July 2007 : 7:15:03 PM
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Not all mosques are fanantical and more than a few do good things in the community.
However I would ask as part of a predominantly Christian country when was the last time you worshiped Jesus?
Also the comments on St Pauls etal are interesting as the Bible never ever speaks of a church being a building but as a body of people coming together and worshiping Jesus.
Urino -are!!!!
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Huge mosque proposed for east London
