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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 August 2006 : 10:49:28 AM
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nope consrciption can be for 2 years, just enought to train and discipline them, in the armed forces right now, they have contracts that you sign so 3 or 5 years i think is the norm
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drosdelnoch
Small mammal
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 August 2006 : 11:27:37 AM
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I take it the women would be forced to serve as well parm, after all it is an equal opportunities to all time.
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
13892 Posts |
Posted - 03 August 2006 : 11:29:28 AM
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damn right some of these chavvy girls are worse than the boys
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WarrenH
Homosapien
United Kingdom
1778 Posts |
Posted - 07 August 2006 : 11:17:35 AM
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Is the manifesto's thingy closed now....
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drosdelnoch
Small mammal
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 August 2006 : 3:24:04 PM
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Nope. and having read your policies theyre a little bit hard core arent they. Are you suggesting turning Britain into a miltary state, where those with the power dictate everything? Whilst I can agree with the sentiment of spending on our own before it goes abroad, surely having the armed forces and the heavily militaried versions of the police is going a little bit over board. Are we to become like America with weapons being traded on the streets, where no person feels safe and the crime rate increases. Who is going to police this and how are you going to make sure that whoever does it is not going to kill innocents or put the public in danger, likewise how are they to face criminals with better hardware as it seems to be heading that way with a number of your policies?
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Ankhsy
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 August 2006 : 10:38:31 PM
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What evidenhce is there for the Jury system not working? I can understand dropping Juries for complex financial cases, but what happened to the right to a trial by your peers? That is an erosion of human rights, and I happen to like mine. So that means 'no' to increased powers to the military. There is no problem with human rights legislation. The problem is the interpretation put on them by twisted lawyers like Cherie Blair who prefer to make names for themselves than see justice done.
"It's hard to work in a group when you're omniscient."
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WarrenH
Homosapien
United Kingdom
1778 Posts |
Posted - 08 August 2006 : 11:14:04 AM
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To answer both questions, my current state of mind, has got so annoyed with the way this country is run at the moment, depletion of the forces, Military and Police, failing NHS - rig for failing, I believe! It appar a bit of a hard line, I just see that the next 10 15 years is going to be extremly difficult, and the violence that is currently outside will be coming here and for this we need adopt a hardline attitude and crush them before they crush us. Sorry, but that is my belief.
On the other aspect, Juries. They did work at one stage, but now with all the press and desire to have someone pay for a crime, that who pays becomes of no consequence, (Brighton Bombers for example)The press has got for to much influence on cases now, and by introducing a 3 Judge system, All judges have to concur with a verdict of guilty, based on fact and not emotion or public sentiment.
I see this as the only way to ensure the justice is done properly without misinterpretation of the law. Politics does not feature in this method at all! That is one of areas where the system fails completely.
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drosdelnoch
Small mammal
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 August 2006 : 11:39:37 AM
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Ah but part of the problem is that we need to see justice being done, just being told that it is is no substitute, after all cases mentioned have demonstrated that fit ups have happened and will continue to happen to a certain degree. Look at the M25 3, now that was a set up yet again, look at the Birmingham 6 and the Guildford 4. It would perhaps be better to have more stringent controls on the evidence gathered and the way its presented rather than keeping it away from the public. Its just as much our country as others so we have a right to see justice dispenced as well as having a chance to weigh up the evidecne ourselves.
And as to the Press angle, well it was bound to happen, it can be gotten around in a number of ways, firstly the banning of the reporting of cases until the trial is over, then theres always the keeping the jury away from the influence by having a suite for them to live in during the case with monitored TV, radio etc broadcasts. It avoids the press influence and allows us to make our own minds up.
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
13892 Posts |
Posted - 08 August 2006 : 3:16:12 PM
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I think the main thing wrong with the british legal system is too much goverment oversight, they are bringing politics into the law, thats not right.
Let the judges look after the law, and have a civillian over sight committe (just too keep them honest)
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John Prigent
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 August 2006 : 3:43:13 PM
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On the other hand, one could argue that the problem is that the _judges_ are deciding to ignore what the law says. To accept a shyster lawyer's argument that there's a loophole for his client, when Parliament's intention is perfectly clear, is to deprive the criminal's victim of justice. And when we get police chiefs, judges and lawyers saying that the people "shouldn't take the law into their own hands" they overlook the minor detail that the law enforcement system is supposed to do what "the people" want and will be taken back by the people if it doesn't. The word "vigilante" is bandied about as if it reflected a breakdown in the law, when it actual fact it was coined to describe what happens when the law is not enforced. Taking an example at random, would there be any risk of vigilante action against suspected paedophiles if they were locked up for life when convicted? Instead they are released into the community, although the community doesn't want them released at all.
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WarrenH
Homosapien
United Kingdom
1778 Posts |
Posted - 08 August 2006 : 4:01:38 PM
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Shell we move this topic over to the normal debate channel, it sounds good...
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
13892 Posts |
Posted - 01 September 2006 : 10:00:08 AM
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Looks like with Justins Pax party we have our own version of the monster raving looney party!!
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drosdelnoch
Small mammal
United Kingdom
482 Posts |
Posted - 01 September 2006 : 11:58:35 AM
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So essentially what Justin is offering is that you get paid more when starting out, does that then equate to people being paid less as they climb the corporate ladder so that only the rich can have higher responsibilities plus how would you afford to pay those lower on the corporate pyramid more cash without bankrupting the country or forcing the enconomy into a nosedive ala Germany where workers got paid daily with wheelbarrows of cash (most of which was needed to pay for one loaf of bread.)
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Ankhsy
Homosapien
United Kingdom
7087 Posts |
Posted - 01 September 2006 : 2:48:42 PM
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Can I add something else to my Manifesto?
If you vote for me, I promise to have Tony Blair arrested and tried for War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity.
"It's hard to work in a group when you're omniscient."
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drosdelnoch
Small mammal
United Kingdom
482 Posts |
Posted - 02 September 2006 : 8:03:02 PM
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I thought that was a given, plus when Bush turned up we'd have him done as well, sort of a pinochet deal all in, except we wouldnt give in.
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Ankhsy
Homosapien
United Kingdom
7087 Posts |
Posted - 04 September 2006 : 10:57:59 AM
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Oh yeah, I'll definitely include Pinochet if he ever came to this neck of the woods.
"It's hard to work in a group when you're omniscient."
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WarrenH
Homosapien
United Kingdom
1778 Posts |
Posted - 06 September 2006 : 5:44:02 PM
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Nice to see that the Brits are still trying to bring their own brand of justice to the world - Mob Rule.....................
Stick to the facts, who put Blair into Power - the Brits, who has kept him in power - The Brits................
Pinochet, or what ever his name is, has just done what the Brits did 2 - 300 years ago - eliminate opposition, what was wrong with that - have we suddenly developed a conscience, no I don't think so, this pure and utter politics feeding off the masses.
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drosdelnoch
Small mammal
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 September 2006 : 7:22:22 PM
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I am lucky enough to say that I never voted Blair. Ive always hated his. New labout, codswallop its bloody new conservatives, is what it is. Theyve done more harm to the working classes than anything else.
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
13892 Posts |
Posted - 07 September 2006 : 06:58:57 AM
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I also would rather have my bits chopped than vote labour...never have never will.
As to warrens post...man you over simplify things some time, the point that pinochet didsome things we did hundreds of years ago does not make it right, it was several hundreds years of growth and enlightenment ago.
things change people mature, and ideas are different, pinochet was a monster in our time, fine he might not have been 300 tears ago, but thats not a comparison you can make in the modern age!
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WarrenH
Homosapien
United Kingdom
1778 Posts |
 Posted - 07 September 2006 : 09:38:48 AM
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 "ENLIGHTENMENT", Enlightenment. Wow Parm that was big word for this morning been Thursday an' all...........
Ok, so yes I do over simplify things a bit. Break it down to the smallest stone, then mix it up with some cement and use it to fill some hole created by our current Government, Oh Boy, that would mean a lot of small stones and a lot of cement, and that hole may just be to big.
The British Government has always been partial to others who follow it's way of thinking, and please do not tell me that we do not do it anymore, Look at Kelly, over the Dossier.......... Interesting outcome!
We have the horrible ability of turning around and saying "Do as I say, not as I do" - that has been going on for far to long. Africa is in a mess because of England, France, Germany and Portugal.
Rhodesia was handed over to that Muppet by Thatcher, and know, because it is not "Politically" correct to support the despots, that we put into power, we oppose them, set up sanction, prohibit Arms Trade, and so forth, yet give money to help feed the country, which goes to buying weapons, and lining the pockets of the depots.
Yes the British Government has a lot to answer for. And as for Enlightenment, sorry Parm, some are, but not the GOVERNMENT, they have not idea what it is!
Thanks to the 9/11 and 7/7, laws are been enacted that are going to give police/army and security services more power to do what they deem necessary. My problem with that, is not the laws, but the individuals who are going to implement them, and how they interpret them. This is where the system will full down, and aggrevate the problem it is trying to curb. IT CANNOT BE HELPED. WE ARE ALL HUMANS!
Other that, have a good day, and happy that you are up and about. Spent the weekend in hospital, not good I tell you.
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Alex Scarrow
Ape
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Posted - 20 September 2006 : 12:08:40 PM
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| don't forget candidates...the first round of voting occurs on 25th December! |
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
13892 Posts |
Posted - 20 September 2006 : 12:16:12 PM
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Xmas day who the hecks going to be online on xmas day???
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Alex Scarrow
Ape
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Posted - 20 September 2006 : 12:49:25 PM
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| agghh...mental slip up...SEPTEMBER not December. |
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
13892 Posts |
Posted - 20 September 2006 : 1:24:43 PM
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my god your working out your xmas pressie list already!! gahhhh!!!!
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
13892 Posts |
 Posted - 21 September 2006 : 4:16:03 PM
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VOTE FOR ME, WHY, DO IT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.....I DARE YOU!!!!
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John Prigent
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 September 2006 : 8:02:54 PM
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No, vote for me - I don't shout at everyone (grin)
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
13892 Posts |
Posted - 22 September 2006 : 11:28:41 AM
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have you never seen the politicians drive round with the megaphones on top of the car...that was the forum version!! {grin}
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WarrenH
Homosapien
United Kingdom
1778 Posts |
Posted - 22 September 2006 : 2:09:08 PM
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Vote for me, Vote for me, Vote for me, Vote for me, Vote for me, Vote for me, Vote for me, Vote for me, Vote for me, Vote for me,
Stability, security, SANITY!
Vote for me, Vote for me, Vote for me, Vote for me, Vote for me, Vote for me, Vote for me, Vote for me, Vote for me, Vote for me,
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Alex Scarrow
Ape
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Posted - 23 September 2006 : 5:41:06 PM
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| hell...now that's what i call campaigning....forum flyposting!! I think I'm voting for Warren ;-) |
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drosdelnoch
Small mammal
United Kingdom
482 Posts |
Posted - 23 September 2006 : 5:55:19 PM
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Wasnt there something in the rules about only posting in this section? Any flagrent breaking of the rules results in disqualification.
Or and Vote for me, remember I mentioned about cookies for voters. LOL
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Manifestos...discuss
