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Ankhsy
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 Posted - 16 August 2006 : 11:05:54 AM
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As you can see, I've started reading EinS and immediately the phrase "hearts and minds" touch a nerve. I don't think for a moment that the Romans cared a bit about winning hearts and minds of the Jews, and I'm reading this as Simon's sense of humour at work....somehow, I have visions of Claudius looking like George W in drag. 
"It's hard to work in a group when you're omniscient."
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AndyCanty
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Posted - 16 August 2006 : 11:16:59 AM
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thats scary Bush in drag...{shivers run down my spine}
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Parmenion
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Posted - 16 August 2006 : 11:20:26 AM
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I saw that and had a bush flash back as well, so if the emperor isthe george bush of the roman world then is Narcissus condolisa rice??
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Ankhsy
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Posted - 16 August 2006 : 2:28:27 PM
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Methinks we have the making of a new comdey! How about reserving the rights to the tv series and starting a new six word story?
We could call it "Carry on up the Tiber"
"It's hard to work in a group when you're omniscient."
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Simon Scarrow
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Uruguay
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Posted - 16 August 2006 : 3:00:12 PM
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Parmenion
Homosapien
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Posted - 16 August 2006 : 3:04:08 PM
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So we have
Emperor - George Bush
Condolisa Rice - Narcissus
Vitellus - Blair or Chirac ?
Macro - ?
Cato -?
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Ankhsy
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 August 2006 : 5:22:06 PM
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Claudius - George Bush
Messalina (Claudius' 3rd wife) - Condoleeza Rice
Narcissus - Donald Rumsfeld
Vitellius - Alistair Campbell
Vespasian - ?
Cato - Blair
Macro - John Prescott
"It's hard to work in a group when you're omniscient."
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Nísia
Small mammal
Portugal
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Posted - 16 August 2006 : 7:39:35 PM
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Acamas
Single Cell Organism
USA
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Posted - 16 August 2006 : 8:22:42 PM
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Emperor: Kofi Annan
Narcissus: ?
Vespasian: George Bush
Cato: Condi
Macro: Rumsfeld
FIGHT THE POWER!!! DOWN WITH UN!
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Bat King
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 August 2006 : 9:08:54 PM
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AndyCanty
Homosapien
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Posted - 17 August 2006 : 08:51:22 AM
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erm, probably lots, but hat doesnt stop us talking about it..hehe
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Parmenion
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Posted - 17 August 2006 : 09:44:15 AM
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Its being so wrong that makes it so much fun!! {grin}
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Ankhsy
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Posted - 17 August 2006 : 09:59:04 AM
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Nisia's Cato (Gordon Brown) is inspired. That makes:
Macro - Blair
Vespasian - Jack Straw
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Acamas
Single Cell Organism
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Posted - 19 August 2006 : 7:08:38 PM
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NO!! I got better ones:
Emperor: George Bush
Narcissus: Dick Cheney
Flavia (Vespasians wife): Cindy Sheehan
The Liberators: The Liberals
Vespasian: Sheehans husband
Titus: Casey Sheehan (Ms. Sheehans son)
Rome: America
Parthia: China
German Barbarians: Mexicans
Britain: Iraq
General Aulus Plautius : General George Casey
Syria (Macro's dream land): San Diego
Greek Pirates: Hispanic Drug lords
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Parmenion
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Posted - 20 August 2006 : 09:27:48 AM
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see you take a bit of fun and acamas still has to try and get a rise..how this time..Britain as Iraq??..some one put him back in his box!!
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AndyCanty
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Posted - 20 August 2006 : 4:31:40 PM
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and nail it shut...Acamas, stop trying to get a rise from us, we're wise to it and quite frankly it's annoying and a little bit juvenile.
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salve
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Posted - 26 August 2006 : 11:59:39 AM
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I have also just started reading ES and I spotted that right away. The Romans did not have Hearts and Minds, it is a very modern british military term learnt from Northern Ireland and is now key to our modern approach to peace enforcement/protection.
The yanks on the other hand do not grasp it (my opinion) and I met a Yank in Kosovo who quoted:
"dont get you brits with your hearts and minds - gust grab the balls tight and the head follows...!"
romanisation was my way or the highway - simple.
I can see that if Simon went to the middle east to do research on his book it would be very difficult for him not to equate the current problems in Iraq as they are similar. But Simon - I read your books to get away from real life and escape - don't start making them "too real!!!"
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Simon Scarrow
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Posted - 26 August 2006 : 7:10:13 PM
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salve
Single Cell Organism
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Posted - 27 August 2006 : 2:50:32 PM
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Simon
Just seen the film on www.imdb.com. Looks like I stand corrected and maybe us brits wern't the ones who thought of the concept, but I will still stand with my view that the cureent US military has a far more hard handed approach than us.
I think it can be agreed that the Heart and Mind battle in Iraq is definately lost, especially on the US side. As for the book, well, I do see a similarity as generally speaking Americans all think the world wants to be like them and if Iraq become full of shopping malls and McDonalds - they would see that as progression! Similar mabe to Romanisation!! |
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Acamas
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Posted - 28 August 2006 : 12:47:28 AM
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What are you talking about a "rise" from you?
I'll bet you all my money Iraq will be liberated and Americanized like Europe became after WW2.
Americanization > Romanization |
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Ankhsy
Homosapien
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Posted - 28 August 2006 : 10:58:51 AM
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Europe americanized? God forbid! Acamas has obviously never been to Europe.
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Rhovanion
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Posted - 11 September 2006 : 5:00:29 PM
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| Salve you were correct in saying that hearts and minds is a british military term but it was first used in the Malayan Emergancy in 1951. |
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AndyCanty
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Posted - 11 September 2006 : 5:08:59 PM
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Originally posted by Acamas
What are you talking about a "rise" from you?
I'll bet you all my money Iraq will be liberated and Americanized like Europe became after WW2.
Americanization > Romanization
Hmm, you say that like it is a good thing to be americanised.
As according to the Us media (and goverment) Iraq has been liberated, who will America liberate it from now????
Anyways: Welcome Rhovian, we hope you enjoy our spirited discussions, please feel free to join in.
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Big Dave
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Posted - 13 September 2006 : 02:20:34 AM
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Originally posted by Rhovanion
Salve you were correct in saying that hearts and minds is a british military term but it was first used in the Malayan Emergancy in 1951.
Indeed it was, coined by Sir Gerald Templer (I think thats his name), who was in charge of the emergancy.
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