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WarrenH
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 22 August 2006 : 11:50:51 AM
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I have been doing some reading up, wrt to the Security Companies that are operating in places like Iraq/Afghanistan and of all the places New Orleans.
I have come across a company which out shines everyone else. Blackwater. http://www.blackwaterusa.com/
My main concern is as follows:
1) We all need a form of security, the question that arises, is to what level do we need security.
2) The situation in Iraq and Afghanistan, has provided a unique opportunity to establish and stabilise ones security company. The situation is such that these companies have been "given" Carte Blanche on recruiting and arming of their employees. {Yes I'll recruit the best, pay the best, and equip the best}
My problem with this, is that this will progress into privately funded armies/units that will contract to respective governments, hopefully not the Enemy, and will be task with respective sensitive military style operations that the paying government can deny ever been involved with.
I see that, should this trend be allowed to continue, the actual Military Services will be reduced even more, and these companies will be given more authority to continue with the role the Military should have.
Basically what I am saying is that we have now Private Military Companies developing, which will take over the majority of the military roles, and generate "A war for Profit" scenario again.
With this all in mind, should we then set up "Companies/Legions" and start to create our own "army" and contract out?
History has come full circle in this matter.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/katrina/story/0,16441,1567656,00.html
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/03/05/1078464637030.html
"Ying tong, ying tong, what a miss mash of cods wallop and gungafof. Never in my life have I had the pleasure of reading a concoction of trype and onions."
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John Prigent
Homosapien
United Kingdom
8414 Posts |
Posted - 22 August 2006 : 12:45:48 PM
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The same ideas surfaced during the Congo Civil War against Biafra many years ago. Most of these mercenary outfits are made up of individualists who weren't good enough soldiers to stay in any army, so they tend to die off quite quickly.
Cheers
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WarrenH
Homosapien
United Kingdom
1778 Posts |
Posted - 22 August 2006 : 12:59:35 PM
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What bothers me with this scenario John, is that the personal are been "poached" from the military with offers of incredible salaries - $350 -$1000 a day, some are been offered $30 000.00 per month. That is a lot of dosh to turn away. These men are better equipped, better armed than the current serving personal. That in it's self is a big draw card.
The current staffing is made up of British/US/South African/Chileans/Gurkha's to name a few.
The casualties amongst these men has reportedly been rather high. 80 killed in 8 day? Food for thought..........
Lets form the Iraqi Legion!
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Ankhsy
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 August 2006 : 5:02:47 PM
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Blackwater - not only a mercenary company but an extremely greedy one. In its 2005 accounts, it included it's profits as 'overheads', and tried to pretend its different divisions were different compsnies to maximise their profits. Before 2004, no one had ever heard of them. Blackwater was originally to be paid $229.5 million for five years by the US State Department for security work in Iraq but as of June this year, it had been paid $321,715,794. When confronted with this apparent $100 million discrepancy, the State Department could not explain it. Six years ago the government paid Blackwater less than $250,000. Lucrative business, huh?
"It's hard to work in a group when you're omniscient."
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John Prigent
Homosapien
United Kingdom
8414 Posts |
Posted - 22 August 2006 : 5:22:20 PM
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No different to our Treasury's system of accounting, then.
Cheers
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Bat King
Invertebrate
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 August 2006 : 10:54:25 PM
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War is profitable and I'm sure no one will hear the shareholders complain.
Yes I think this will escalate. Yes I think it is wrong.
Could be the start of things from movies such as Robocop with private companies replacing Government Policing and Military. (without the actual Robocop but you get the idea)
We could even one day see the time a company deploys soldiers against the Government country they are trading in. They already do it against civilians in some places - Nigerian Delta for example. |
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Rhovanion
Invertebrate
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 13 September 2006 : 11:17:26 AM
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| i heard a rumor somwhere not sure where tho that alot of special forces members were leaving the armed services to join with these mercnary groups because they were getting pay offers in the region off £100,000.00 a year. in response to this the government decided to increase the amount they pay our lads in the special forces. Again i cant remember where i heard this or if its true. |
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
13892 Posts |
Posted - 13 September 2006 : 12:20:41 PM
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but the goverment will never be able to compete in the wages market, i do think thought hat there are alot of patriotic members of the special forces who would not leave for money...well not until they had put in quite a few years for queen and country or Idiot and country for the yanks.
unfortunatly its supply and demand with war and right now there is a major demand.
LASCIATE OGNE SPERANZA, VOI CH'INTRATE
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Rhovanion
Invertebrate
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 September 2006 : 12:30:15 PM
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| thats something i dont understand. at the moment there is a huge demand for our armed forces and still the government is downsizing. This makes no sense to me at all. |
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John Prigent
Homosapien
United Kingdom
8414 Posts |
Posted - 13 September 2006 : 12:38:20 PM
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You were expecting _sense_ from Phoney Tony's bunch of creeps and toadies?
Cheers
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Rhovanion
Invertebrate
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 September 2006 : 1:19:04 PM
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
13892 Posts |
Posted - 13 September 2006 : 3:08:54 PM
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ah but ultimatly its seen as cost effective to outsource...any major company is run that way....BUT these labour fools have forgotten a coubntry is not a corporation and so those rule should not apply.
they need to spend and keep a reasonable standing army navy and airforce, merge the buggers if you have to to cut down the admin costs, but the elevl of personale and equipment must be brought to a proper level and quality.
LASCIATE OGNE SPERANZA, VOI CH'INTRATE
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Rhovanion
Invertebrate
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 September 2006 : 4:40:29 PM
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
13892 Posts |
Posted - 13 September 2006 : 4:42:28 PM
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what the hell?? are they going to throw the planes at the enemy??
LASCIATE OGNE SPERANZA, VOI CH'INTRATE
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Rhovanion
Invertebrate
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 September 2006 : 7:06:36 PM
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| Im trying to find the article i read about this but not having much luck at the moment. I cant for the life of me remember where i read it so it may have just been a rumor. Bear with me and if i find the article ill link it |
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John Prigent
Homosapien
United Kingdom
8414 Posts |
Posted - 13 September 2006 : 7:22:57 PM
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I don't think I am breaking the Official Secrets Act by saying that I witnessed the launch of an anti-aircraft missile by Royal Artillery demonstrators a very long time ago. It took two days to get the thing to launch!
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
13892 Posts |
Posted - 14 September 2006 : 11:01:22 AM
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do you think they missed??
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WarrenH
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 September 2006 : 12:32:57 PM
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Will someone or more, get the grip of this dam government, shake then around a bit, wrapped them in flippers of concrete and send them all for a swin across the channel and the one that makes it, gets shot!
Artillery conducting air defence, sounds a bit like WW1 to me. What a bunch of unethical muppets - sorry to all the Muppets, lets just face it we are all done for, no enemy needs to fire a bullet, drop a bomb, just keep Labour in power, and take over, the cost will be cheaper!
Plonkers, the lot of them!
PS: Blood pressure just shot of the scale, sorry to those offended!
"Ying tong, ying tong, what a miss mash of cods wallop and gungafof. Never in my life have I had the pleasure of reading a concoction of trype and onions." |
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Turretmuppet
Dinosaur
United Kingdom
396 Posts |
Posted - 16 September 2006 : 6:02:01 PM
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So, you'll all be voting for the new improved, light and fluffy, green as green Conservatives then? Love the new logo BTW.....but maybe they've actually got a sniper hiding in that tree?
Or is it UKIP all round? |
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WarrenH
Homosapien
United Kingdom
1778 Posts |
Posted - 16 September 2006 : 11:17:23 PM
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Hello Turret, personal opinion, put the lot against the wall, and shot them with piantballs, till they drop. But there again some group may cry out as the paintballs may have feelings. On the other hand why not send them to the front, they may actually make a difference.......................
UKIP, leaves a lot before they can become viable, there again, most voters are so feed up with what has been happening, they vote them in. Or will tradition win over agian!
"Ying tong, ying tong, what a miss mash of cods wallop and gungafof. Never in my life have I had the pleasure of reading a concoction of trype and onions." |
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