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Peter Croft
Dinosaur
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 12 September 2006 : 12:05:27 AM
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I heard a fascinating interview with Gore Vidal in which he argued that the US had undergone a coup by a cabal of right wing oil mogul types. Reminded me of the first Bush 'victory' where the supreme court stopped the counting in Florida once it was clear that Gore was going to win on the recount. I've despised Gore for the way he threw in the towel and let the US go to the dogs ever since. That's what happens when a liberal tries to do the right thing. The bad guys have no morals and sieze what's going.
The question is, has the US turned into a police state ruled by an oligarchy of the rich and powerful?
If so, what are the implications for the rest of us?
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Turretmuppet
Dinosaur
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 September 2006 : 07:51:09 AM
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| I think they need to choose a better frontman next time, apparently Dubya is regularly viewed as the worst President in American History in Stateside Polls, according to the Beeb yesterday. |
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Simon Scarrow
Small mammal
Uruguay
777 Posts |
Posted - 12 September 2006 : 10:16:00 AM
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Who can argue with the polls?
Peter, was that the Radio 4 interview? Assume so, since that's where all the good stuff is. I heard him too. It's a compelling argument but I still think at the end of the day there is no grand conspiracy, just an endless series of cock ups and people taking advantage of the day to day situation. As to your questions, I think that's true of all societies, don't you? And what can we do about it? Not a lot under the present political system (I still think the only viable form of democracy is based on the socalled 'workers' council' system of representation). Perhaps when the internet has broken Murdoch's grip on the minds of the electorate we might have a more enlightened voter, but don't bet on it. |
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Turretmuppet
Dinosaur
United Kingdom
396 Posts |
Posted - 12 September 2006 : 10:22:26 AM
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| Simon, well, a poll in the Times of wether or not polls were accurate said that they were......was it the Times.....or the Sun.....can't remember.....might have been the Sunday Sport, heck, I could've even made it up.....who knows..... |
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John Prigent
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 September 2006 : 11:31:04 AM
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Polls are _so_ easy to rig. Just choose where they're taken. And anyone who believes the "just over 1,000" usual sample can really be taken as an indication of _everyone's_ opinion on anything probably believes that the moon is made of green cheese.
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Turretmuppet
Dinosaur
United Kingdom
396 Posts |
Posted - 12 September 2006 : 12:43:25 PM
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| If you study 'Google Moon' you'll discover that it is! |
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Turretmuppet
Dinosaur
United Kingdom
396 Posts |
Posted - 12 September 2006 : 12:43:51 PM
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| If you study 'Google Moon' you'll discover that it is! |
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John Prigent
Homosapien
United Kingdom
8414 Posts |
Posted - 12 September 2006 : 1:32:48 PM
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An entry no doubt written by one of those who believes polls. Sigh. I know there's one born every minute, but why do so many of them have to be on the web?
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The Delayer
Dinosaur
United Kingdom
216 Posts |
Posted - 12 September 2006 : 2:55:17 PM
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Originally posted by Peter Croft
I heard a fascinating interview with Gore Vidal in which he argued that the US had undergone a coup by a cabal of right wing oil mogul types. Reminded me of the first Bush 'victory' where the supreme court stopped the counting in Florida once it was clear that Gore was going to win on the recount. I've despised Gore for the way he threw in the towel and let the US go to the dogs ever since. That's what happens when a liberal tries to do the right thing. The bad guys have no morals and sieze what's going.
The question is, has the US turned into a police state ruled by an oligarchy of the rich and powerful?
If so, what are the implications for the rest of us?
You forget though that Bush won the 2004 election quite easily and won the popular vote as well.
And if Iraq was such a big issue why has Blair constantly won his elections.
If there is a problem with the process its where Scot's MP's can vote on English matters when they do not effect Scotland and yet English MP'S cannot vote on Scottish matters.
Then you have a system where Labour and the Libdems can combine and go against Conservatives which is hardly fair.
And Simon if you are asking for a communist state with a Soviet. They tried it in Russia and lots of other countries. All that happens is a few people get in power/kill off all rivals and the coutntries economy goes down the pan. |
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 September 2006 : 12:49:13 PM
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the scottish issue will only get worse when jock Mc chancellor gets his hands on power!! {shudder}
am i the only one scared by that thought!!??
LASCIATE OGNE SPERANZA, VOI CH'INTRATE
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John Prigent
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 September 2006 : 7:24:31 PM
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Do I hear any votes for the English Independence Party, otherwise known as "my" party - see the Vote For Me forum. (grin)
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Simon Scarrow
Small mammal
Uruguay
777 Posts |
Posted - 13 September 2006 : 8:54:52 PM
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| Wake up U-KIP U have a rival! |
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Alex Scarrow
Ape
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Posted - 14 September 2006 : 09:06:17 AM
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| Ah-hah!!! yup...that's how the game's played John ;-) Good plug. |
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 September 2006 : 11:00:44 AM
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But i have no problem with keeping scotland and wales...we just split from the EU...
we need the taffs and tyhe jock so we have some one to lord it over and feel superior about.....Vote for me you nkow it makes sense!!
John will take away all your paddy and jock jokes, he will allow them to be and think independantly.
LASCIATE OGNE SPERANZA, VOI CH'INTRATE
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WarrenH
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 September 2006 : 11:21:29 PM
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Think Independantly, oh boy, back to the middel ages or is it the late iron or even .....stone age........................ I think hell is freezing over.............., or is that the reason why the poles are melting? That is it, heat up hell, melt the ice and send every one swimming............ the S**ts that is...... he he he hhe {That is a joke, you Scots you}
"Ying tong, ying tong, what a miss mash of cods wallop and gungafof. Never in my life have I had the pleasure of reading a concoction of trype and onions." |
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Coup d'etat in the US
