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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 October 2006 : 11:41:39 AM
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flipping geeky boy...and i will moan if i want to!!
Centurion Parmenion
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Graeme Canty
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 October 2006 : 11:50:33 AM
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Why break the habit of a lifetime mate :-)
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
13892 Posts |
Posted - 19 October 2006 : 12:10:32 PM
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im a manager its my job
Centurion Parmenion
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John Prigent
Homosapien
United Kingdom
8414 Posts |
Posted - 19 October 2006 : 12:19:13 PM
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Rubbish! A good manager _encourages_ his people with praise for good work.
Cheers
John
Captain, Star Fleet
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Graeme Canty
Homosapien
United Kingdom
2264 Posts |
Posted - 19 October 2006 : 12:36:21 PM
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???? So what managers are you talking about then...I am yet to meet one like that.
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
13892 Posts |
Posted - 19 October 2006 : 12:39:10 PM
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a good manager also has to have a good moan as well as encourage, after all the encouragment is doe and allt he taining given a screw up means you moan at them and set them new objectives
Centurion Parmenion
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Ankhsy
Homosapien
United Kingdom
7087 Posts |
Posted - 19 October 2006 : 2:16:56 PM
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A good manager gets the people he moans at transferred to someone else to manage.
"We're Starfleet Officers, weird is part of the job."
Star Trek Voyager - Capt. Janeway
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
13892 Posts |
Posted - 19 October 2006 : 2:23:15 PM
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...working on that!!
Centurion Parmenion
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John Prigent
Homosapien
United Kingdom
8414 Posts |
Posted - 19 October 2006 : 2:47:15 PM
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You never met _me_, Graeme!
Cheers
John
Captain, Star Fleet
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
13892 Posts |
Posted - 19 October 2006 : 3:07:35 PM
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see look johns moaning already he must be amanager too!!
Centurion Parmenion
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Graeme Canty
Homosapien
United Kingdom
2264 Posts |
Posted - 19 October 2006 : 3:34:36 PM
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Must be mate.
Hmm Andy's taking his time on the Death Match!
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Ankhsy
Homosapien
United Kingdom
7087 Posts |
 Posted - 20 October 2006 : 11:15:24 AM
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Sunshine!...look, there it is!!!!! mwahh mwahh mes amis Scarrowaggs 
"We're Starfleet Officers, weird is part of the job."
Star Trek Voyager - Capt. Janeway
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John Prigent
Homosapien
United Kingdom
8414 Posts |
Posted - 20 October 2006 : 12:49:33 PM
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I never moaned at my people as a team leader, manager, senior executive or director. I just went through step by step with newcomers until they knew how to do the job. Once they knew, they also knew that I expected it done properly and would make them redo anything that wasn't right.
Cheers
John
Captain, Star Fleet
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Viriatus
Ape
Netherlands
859 Posts |
Posted - 20 October 2006 : 10:42:36 PM
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That takes a long time and commitment, John. Things that usual managers (or even directors) value too much for their one good.
"How bright is the light if there’s no one else to see it?"
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John Prigent
Homosapien
United Kingdom
8414 Posts |
Posted - 20 October 2006 : 10:48:59 PM
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It's worth the effort for any manager who's worth his pay.
Cheers
John
Captain, Star Fleet
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Viriatus
Ape
Netherlands
859 Posts |
Posted - 20 October 2006 : 10:50:48 PM
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True but not often practiced!
I've seen good companies destroied with harsh manegement practices...
"How bright is the light if there’s no one else to see it?"
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
13892 Posts |
Posted - 21 October 2006 : 4:35:44 PM
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at the end of the day sometimes a moan is needed, some poeple these days dont respond to anything else.
A manager can sometimes o nly be as good as his team, he /she can try but some team members just dont care enough
Centurion Parmenion
 
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John Prigent
Homosapien
United Kingdom
8414 Posts |
Posted - 21 October 2006 : 5:00:31 PM
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Truth. That's what P45s are for.
Cheers
John
Captain, Star Fleet
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Viriatus
Ape
Netherlands
859 Posts |
Posted - 21 October 2006 : 5:06:52 PM
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What do you mean with a P45 John?
"How bright is the light if there’s no one else to see it?"
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
13892 Posts |
Posted - 22 October 2006 : 08:38:08 AM
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its the tax office slip that shows the end of your emplyment something you need for your next emplyer.
i try my hardest to avoid these, moaning and training..it seems to work...
Centurion Parmenion
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Ankhsy
Homosapien
United Kingdom
7087 Posts |
Posted - 23 October 2006 : 09:57:10 AM
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It means you've been fired!!!!!
"We're Starfleet Officers, weird is part of the job."
Star Trek Voyager - Capt. Janeway
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
13892 Posts |
Posted - 23 October 2006 : 10:02:58 AM
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no you get one if you quit too!
Centurion Parmenion
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Ankhsy
Homosapien
United Kingdom
7087 Posts |
Posted - 23 October 2006 : 10:09:52 AM
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Oh yeah, I forgot. 
"We're Starfleet Officers, weird is part of the job."
Star Trek Voyager - Capt. Janeway
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
13892 Posts |
Posted - 23 October 2006 : 10:16:28 AM
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does that mean you normally get sacked..{grin}
Centurion Parmenion
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WarrenH
Homosapien
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 October 2006 : 10:23:06 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by John Prigent
It's worth the effort for any manager who's worth his pay.
Cheers
John
Captain, Star Fleet
"to boldly split infinitives that no man (or woman) has split before"
and a P45, modern practice does not work like that, a manager must discipline as many as possible, for what ever they can, keep the "lags" where they belong........ hence I did not survive as a manager, as I increased attendance, work was fun, production went up, cost where reduced, and HR did not like it.
They tried to discipline a 19 year girl, who had severe monthly problems for been absent more than once, their answer to her was - have a hysterectomy, The girl took the company to court..........
A good manager not only praises, chastises, but also shows the correct way of doing things, enables the transgressor to find their mistake and how to fix it, continualy back his/her staff up - no one touchs them except their manager. "He/she Eats last - makes sure their subordinates all eat first"
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
13892 Posts |
Posted - 23 October 2006 : 10:42:53 AM
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thats me me i lead by example, i know how tyo do all their jobs and they know it, i pitch in when busy on top of my own job, and i never ask them to do extra hours im not prepared to do first!
Centurion Parmenion
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John Prigent
Homosapien
United Kingdom
8414 Posts |
Posted - 23 October 2006 : 12:25:25 PM
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I suppose I picked up the idea in the army. A good officer makes sure his men eat first, etc, etc.
Parm sounds lke the kind of manager I wish I'd had when I began work. Come to that, the kind I wish I'd had when I was filling in time before retirement! One admitted that I'd probably forgotten more than the company HR department knew between them - but still failed to do what he should have been doing himself.
Cheers
John
Captain, Star Fleet
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Parmenion
Homosapien
United Kingdom
13892 Posts |
Posted - 23 October 2006 : 12:30:28 PM
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they recently asked me (my manager) to stop doing so much of the work and concentrate on managing effectivly..i said i do manager effectivly soemthing i could not do if i did not know the job they did inside out!...psssisssh...suits!!
Centurion Parmenion
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Ankhsy
Homosapien
United Kingdom
7087 Posts |
Posted - 23 October 2006 : 1:43:47 PM
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I've never been sacked! Resigned...lets see...four times though.
"We're Starfleet Officers, weird is part of the job."
Star Trek Voyager - Capt. Janeway
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Viriatus
Ape
Netherlands
859 Posts |
Posted - 23 October 2006 : 11:19:51 PM
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Ok, got the idea folks, thank you!
That should be a particularity of the British law... as I never had hear from it before!
But the situation resembles other places!
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